Lada to race in WTCC from 2006 - Page 4

cybersdorf · 12 Dec 2005, 13:35 (Ref:1482290)

it bis called LAcetti btw, not LANcetti

429CJ · 12 Dec 2005, 18:19 (Ref:1482467)

In Finland only the 5 door version is named Lacetti, when the 4 door saloon or wagon is Nubira. Why? I don't know.

cybersdorf · 26 Dec 2005, 15:37 (Ref:1490207)

With the recent change in ownership, and the endictment of the former Lada/AvtoVAZ managers, I'd say the program's chances are now slim.

Un0Turb0-WP · 3 Jan 2006, 21:15 (Ref:1494372)

It would be interesting to see Lada in the WTCC... strangely I've only ever known them to be some kind of joke, Never really looked into them...

TCD · 4 Jan 2006, 11:45 (Ref:1494716)

Nah, Lada isn't a racing car.

Dani Filth · 4 Jan 2006, 11:54 (Ref:1494726)

neither is a Chevy .. or a Seat .. or a Ford Focus .. and neither is a BMW 3-Series

cybersdorf · 4 Jan 2006, 15:28 (Ref:1494869)

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Originally Posted by Dani Filth

neither is a Chevy .. or a Seat .. or a Ford Focus .. and neither is a BMW 3-Series

Which leaves the Alfa 156...

So you mean a Chevy Lacetti isn't an exciting thoroughbred?

TCD · 5 Jan 2006, 11:35 (Ref:1495426)

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Originally Posted by Dani Filth

neither is a Chevy .. or a Seat .. or a Ford Focus .. and neither is a BMW 3-Series

Well they are better then the stupid hatchbacks!

Honda Accord and Alfa's are real touringcars to me.

Dani Filth · 5 Jan 2006, 12:06 (Ref:1495462)

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Originally Posted by cybersdorf

Which leaves the Alfa 156...

So you mean a Chevy Lacetti isn't an exciting thoroughbred?

i left the Alfa for somebody else

a touring car Lada is a racing car as much as a BMW touring car is a racing car ..

E46 · 5 Jan 2006, 16:16 (Ref:1495642)

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Originally Posted by TCD

Well they are better then the stupid hatchbacks!

Honda Accord and Alfa's are real touringcars to me.

Can you describe me a touring car?

TCD · 5 Jan 2006, 16:19 (Ref:1495645)

Yes, red and white Honda Accord and red Alfa Romeo 156.

E46 · 5 Jan 2006, 16:22 (Ref:1495648)

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Originally Posted by TCD

Yes, red and white Honda Accord and red Alfa Romeo 156.

So funny.

**FIRE** · 5 Jan 2006, 16:44 (Ref:1495660)

In my opinion a touring car is a saloon instead of a hatchback, but I have to admit the SEAT Leon and Ford Focus don't look bad.

TCD · 5 Jan 2006, 16:52 (Ref:1495667)

The Focus is terrible. I can live with the Leon....

Gridlock · 5 Jan 2006, 17:05 (Ref:1495672)

For those who know little about Lada, my wife had one purchased second hand, kept for over a year with no problems. Left outside through the winter and started first time every time. Sold for more than we paid for it.
I have also travelled through Russia and seen the condition of their roads and the speed at which they travel over them. I would say that apart from the need for more cars on the grid I wish them every success.

KA · 5 Jan 2006, 17:26 (Ref:1495692)

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Originally Posted by E46

Can you describe me a touring car?

Personally I use a simple rule- if the current regulations say it's a touring car, then it's a touring car...

I've never understood this hangup that some people have over hatchbacks in touring car racing- as far as I can tell the idea that a touring car can only be a 4-door saloon seems to come from the supertouring period. Speaking as someone who first saw touring cars in the Group A years during the early/mid 80's, I've never been too bothered whether it's a 4-door saloon, 2-door saloon, hatchback, coupe or even an estate car- before supertouring, touring cars came in all shapes and sizes....

shambles · 5 Jan 2006, 17:28 (Ref:1495694)

Variety is the spice of life, I'd love to see it happen personally.

PAUL

cybersdorf · 5 Jan 2006, 18:35 (Ref:1495756)

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Originally Posted by KA

Personally I use a simple rule- if the current regulations say it's a touring car, then it's a touring car...

At last somebody is talking sense!

TCD · 5 Jan 2006, 19:42 (Ref:1495795)

Well guys if u use that definition, the WTCC will look like this in 2020:

Let's keep it like this:

E46 · 5 Jan 2006, 19:58 (Ref:1495805)

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Originally Posted by KA

Personally I use a simple rule- if the current regulations say it's a touring car, then it's a touring car...

I've never understood this hangup that some people have over hatchbacks in touring car racing- as far as I can tell the idea that a touring car can only be a 4-door saloon seems to come from the supertouring period. Speaking as someone who first saw touring cars in the Group A years during the early/mid 80's, I've never been too bothered whether it's a 4-door saloon, 2-door saloon, hatchback, coupe or even an estate car- before supertouring, touring cars came in all shapes and sizes....

Exactly i was thinking this. You have put words to my thought.

Dani Filth · 5 Jan 2006, 20:02 (Ref:1495807)

i have no problem with hatchbacks .. but i usually like saloons more .. but they are all touring cars in my view . including the M3 GTR

Valker · 6 Jan 2006, 07:36 (Ref:1496014)

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Originally Posted by Hazard

Nah, the Riva is the Lada...as in, the only one anyone's seen here...I didn't know they had a range!

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Originally Posted by Chris Roden

Other teams in those days included Skoda (of course) who used to clean up in class, and those delightfuly named Wartburg Knights, three cylinder two stroke machines...

You guys can cheer because that legendary Lada (Zhiguli) is still in production. Unfortunately it can't be exported to EU because of emission standards.

VAZ2105

VAZ2107

Maybe they should try to homologate either of those models with Opel 2-litre engine instead of Lada 110. RWD and lighter weight of the base model should be a significent benefit

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Originally Posted by redshoes

There was a Niva and Niva Cossack. Not sure of the exact difference - I think the Cossack had more chunky arches, bull bars etc.

In Finland Niva was never sold as Cossack (or Kasakka (cossack in Finnish)) but maybe Cossack was the name for longer model in UK?

Valker · 6 Jan 2006, 07:56 (Ref:1496019)

Plah. I'm sorry about going even more off-topic, but this is what Lada racing really is.

Pics are from Finnish 1600cc Lada/Samara CUP (Samara is the first ever AvtoVAZ FWD model).

alfan · 6 Jan 2006, 10:09 (Ref:1496063)

Great stuff. Is this cup still running ?

cybersdorf · 6 Jan 2006, 11:19 (Ref:1496100)

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Originally Posted by TCD

Well guys if u use that definition, the WTCC will look like this in 2020: [image removed]

You know it already looks like this. Compare the current 2l cars to the Sierra Cosworths and Jaguar XJS... - today's cars are boring. If you insist on red cars, I suggest you hang around your local fire station. If you insist on Alfas, there is the European Alfa 147 Challenge - but they aren't all red, and the 147 isn't a 3 box car...

Ask yourself: would Tarquini rather drive a 75 turbo or a 156? Ask Tarquini, for that metter, I think I know what the answer will be.

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Let's keep it like this: [image removed]

Fine choice, the Hondas are the most boring of the lot. But hey, they are at least partly red.

Honda - isn't that one of these Japanese marques they used to laugh about 40 years ago? Not saying Lada will take the same route (probably won't), just what is wrong with new manufacturers giving it a try?

All sorts of shapes keep appearing on the auto market, why do TC fans (?) insist on "proper" saloons that don't represent what people drive on the road anymore? You are not doing yourselves, or the sport, any favours.

If we use ur definition the WTCC will look like this in 2010:

...and we don't need that.

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