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8 Aug 2005, 23:24 (Ref:1544254)
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Spook,
Who has the car advertised , so I can try and keep records up to date , I know of a Russell Baldwin from Newcastle [ N.S.W. ] who had/has the Proton, an Errol Richardson built BT23B replica badly damaged many years ago when a radius rod pulled out , but that car is local only. Bryan Miller. |
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9 Aug 2005, 08:22 (Ref:1544255)
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Bryan, I only have a name and phone number - would rather not post this information until the identity of the car is confirmed.
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9 Aug 2005, 09:15 (Ref:1544256)
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Spook,
Will enquire now that I have a name , the penny drops from a conversation with the gentleman a few years ago.will advise . Bryan. |
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10 Aug 2005, 09:38 (Ref:1544257)
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Can anyone help with contact details/history/fame of "Phillipe de Lespernay" or "Russ Baldwin" ?.
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10 Aug 2005, 13:32 (Ref:1544258)
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Phillip de Lespernay goes under the handle of T54 on the Atlas TNF site.
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10 Aug 2005, 14:24 (Ref:1544259)
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Hi spook
I have contact details for Philippe de Lespinay (note spelling) but your PM folder is full so I can't send them. Please email me at allen@oldracingcars.com. Allen |
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15 Aug 2005, 03:01 (Ref:1544260)
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Hi, I am John Lindsay and am restoring a BT 21 which was imported to the US in 1967 or 1968 and has not had the chassis number identified yet. It was bought in the UK with a fuel injected SCA and Hewland 6 speed .I understood it was hillclimbed. In 1970 it was the US FC national champion driven by Mike Rand.
I thought some Canadian results would help.This is from RPM, The History of Auto Racing in Quebec 1970. Le Circuit Continental Formula B St Jovite Aug 1, 1970 2 # 75 Alan Lader BT 29 Fred Opert 3 # 57 John Marshall Brabham Team Sury 4 # 36 Matt Spitzley Brabham Spritzford Racing 6 # 71 Nick Craw BT 29 Fred Opert 7 # 67 G Baker BT 29 Graham Baker MT 9 # 5 B Robertson Brabham Fred Opert 12 # 72 Evan Noyes BT 29 Fred Opert 14 # 7 Randy Lewis Brabham Randy Lewis 17 # 15 K Husband BT 29 K Husband 19 # 41 Bruce Jenson BT 21 C JenMac Racing 20 # 38 Fred Harris BT 29 Fred Harris DNF # 59 Sandy Shefard BT 29 Sandy Shefard DNF # 32 Al Justason BT 23 F Al Justason DNF # 10 John R Babchek BT 21 C Babchek Racing DNF # 54 Randy Fraser BT 29 Fred Opert DNF # 11 Syd Demosky BT 29 Le Circuit Formula B St Jovite Trans Am Aug 2, 1970 1 # 5 B Robertson BT 29 8 Al Justason BT 23 F 9 B Fox BT29 |
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15 Aug 2005, 03:32 (Ref:1544261)
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JRL,
Welcome aboard. Sounds like it would have been an F2 car in U.K/Europe , but the 1 litre F2 stopped at the end of 1966 , to be replaced with the 1600cc FVA cars in 1967 , so with not many F2 BT21 cars out in 1966 we may have a chance of figuring out whose it was in period. Most of the 21's would have been F3 , but Chris or Ted may have other information. Bryan. |
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16 Aug 2005, 02:15 (Ref:1544262)
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Bryan,
The special case of the SCCA 1100cc FC cars converted from FIA spec I would think were primarily F3 cars. Like my Modus, the brakes, Mk g'box, wheel widths etc were more condusive to the conversion than a F2 car would be. Most F2 cars came over here to become FB cars w/ carbed 1600 twin-cams. John, Hi and welcome to the group. Good to have another familiar voice on the list. Have you contacted Mike Rand about the car. My car was Mike's mount 10 years later in F Continental and his earlier Modus served him well in 1977. Mike still had a nice combined file on the pair of Modus, including some of the research he'd done to determine they were good cars. He may well have a file on your car too. Roger Sieling, Ohio |
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16 Aug 2005, 11:45 (Ref:1544263)
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Thanks for the warmreception.
Mike was very helpful supplying some pictures and stats. he raced the car for Springdell Racing ,which was Chuck Schroedel and Joe Grimaldi who also had an Brabham BT 18 with an SCA . My car was converted to an FB in 1971 with a TC etc. Bryan is correct about the F2 cars before 1967 as they had MAE /SCA etc and Hewlands and wider tires.I'm having the same problem with a Cooper T75 (?) that had an SCA that raced in Canada in 1969/70 as a FB. This would be a 1965 car or maybe a 1966 one. The rivets are still there for the chassis plate but no plate. Its too bad that a lot of chasis plates disappeared , I assume to avoid taxes when they were shipped. John Last edited by John Turner; 12 Mar 2006 at 10:17. Reason: Thread breakdown alteration |
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16 Aug 2005, 23:11 (Ref:1544265)
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John,
Does the frame have the AM number still on it .?? Any idea who purchased the car from the U.K and from whom.?? Bryan. Last edited by John Turner; 12 Mar 2006 at 10:19. Reason: Thread breakdown alteration |
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17 Aug 2005, 03:15 (Ref:1544266)
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The AM number isnot there but Mike Rand says he was not surprised at that. While rereading a Competition Press , Jan 23,1971for the umpteenth time I may have found an ad for my car Brabham BT 21 B , 10" and 8" wheels, Hewland 5 speed, Lucas Downdraft , won last NE National ( SCCA) of 1970. $ 4195.00 Joe Grimaldi The Race Shop 239 Greenwood Ave Midland NJ The results show that Mike Rand won the race therefore probably the same car. i was told by Chuck Schrodel (Springdel Racing)that Grimaldi had bought the car while in England in 1968 and that the car had been advertised in the racing press. It was raced by Schroedel in 1968. In the same issue Springdel has BT 9- 15 advertised for $ 1250.00 John Last edited by John Turner; 12 Mar 2006 at 10:20. Reason: Thread breakdown alteration |
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18 Aug 2005, 02:43 (Ref:1544267)
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John,
And I think you're right too. I think it may have been advertised as a GRD Modus or something like that. There is a thread on this list about the car or maybe it is the Lotus 19 owned by the same fellow who bought it. Roger |
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21 Dec 2005, 06:35 (Ref:1544268)
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Hi, While searching Goggle I came across this thread and would like to join in as I just purchased a Brabham BT21 AM 177, no tag. I would like to find out what the history is on this car and a possible chassis number. I picked up this car in Los Angeles last Wednesday and headed directly to Wayne Mitchell's for a quick lookover. The fellow I purchased the car from, purchased this car from someone in Riverside, Ca. That is all I know at this time. The car suppposedly has been in storage for over 30 years still on Firestone Supersports. Tim Osborne (BT21-9 AM175) was up to my shop on Sunday and gave me all of his research material. Interesting that my car, Tim's and another car from LA, BT-21A-7, AM227 (race-cars.com,archive) all have the same roll bar conversion. My car has the Wayne Mitchell front upper link/trailing arm (BT-23) conversion. The original wobblies are 8" front and 9"rear. F-3 Girlings all around. Everything else is basic BT21. No motor or gear box. I plan on a Lotus twincam and Mk8 hewland which I already have. Any help would be appreciated. I thought I was coming up with some info till I found this thread. I am amazed at the depth of information you guys possess. I have already been in correspondence with Allen Brown concerning my 67 Eisert - Harrison Special Indy Car. I started Vintage racing 10 years ago in a Elden PH10 Boat tail. I recently have been driving a Macon MR7B Formula Ford. With a bit of luck, I hope to have the Brabham ready for this racing season. Again thanks for any help you might be able to share. Is there a possibility that with Tim's BT21-9, AM 175 and my AM177, that my car could be BT21-11, Kurt Ahren's car?
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21 Dec 2005, 08:01 (Ref:1544269)
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Hello and good to have you here.
From info in front of me it is not BT21-10 . So a definate possibility is BT21-8 or BT21-11. The name of the person you purchased car from may be of assistance , if the car has not run since circa 1975 or thereabouts we may be able to back track into the U.K. Bryan. |
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21 Dec 2005, 14:48 (Ref:1544270)
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Bryan do not understand how you can assume this.My records show 21-10asAM178 BT21-11 asAM200. BT21-12 as AM185.
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21 Dec 2005, 18:28 (Ref:1544271)
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Ted,
I was afraid it wouldn't be that simple. Oh well. I purchased this car from Dan Longacre in Dan Point, CA. I will email Dan and try to find out who he got it from. It was fun researching Kurt's history anyway. Thanks, AL |
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21 Dec 2005, 21:44 (Ref:1544272)
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Good morning Ted,
I am assuming nothing , simply looking at the fact that this time for a few chassis numbers it may be that they all came out with very close and consistent AM number to plate number sequences. I take it you have nothing on BT21-8 / AM number. |
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22 Dec 2005, 09:19 (Ref:1544273)
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Bryan. Do you mean the the Lamplough F2 car.If so ,no I havnt.BT21-9 is AM 175. TED
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23 Dec 2005, 12:27 (Ref:1544274)
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Ted,
Do you have an AM number match by any chance for my BT-12-23? Regards, |
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23 Dec 2005, 12:29 (Ref:1544275)
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Apologies, that of course is (1967) BT-21, ch. no. 23.
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23 Dec 2005, 15:38 (Ref:1544276)
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No. Would be interested what you know about the cars history.
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24 Dec 2005, 01:56 (Ref:1544277)
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So Ted, any idea what the chassis number is for my BT21 - AM177?
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2 Jan 2006, 07:26 (Ref:1544278)
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Hi fellas,
I'm new to this so give me a break if I stuff up. Talking to Ron T of Brabham some time ago, he told me that the chassis number and the AM numbers had no direct correlation. Arch made the frames and just stacked them up, and as the were needed they were just pulled at random. I guess you have got to believe the boss! Bryan, you will be pleased to know that contrary to popular belief, the BT21 #48 / AM199 car is nearly finished and you should have a log book application very soon. History of the car pre mid seventies when it was sold by Lou Pavesi in the USA still unknown, other than the Frank Williams ownership as a roller with Mk4 box when new. Also Bryan, the Costin-Nathan sports racer arrived in Botany Bay on the weekend. Just another piece of something different to liven up the M&O grids! I'm enjoying this so keep it up guys. Bruce Mansell, in Sydney. |
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Give you a break??!!
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