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Hopes, it's pretty simple: slower RBR and faster rivals.
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OK, it's a fair point, maybe it's just my perception that the arrival of grossly large looking cars seem to have coincided with more lack of discipline from drivers.
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It isn't just the width of the cars.There is a well known image online that shows a chronological sequence of Ferraris and the trend is all too obvious.
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Thought I'd add a little bit of fun to the thread by attaching a meme I tripped over yesterday, based on "if all F1 drivers were at school together" and there was a fight - personally I think it's bloody funny but also pretty on-point re driver personalities.
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That is a question that has yet to be fully answered. Whether or not it is responsible for climate catastrophe is not universally agreed on by scientists universally. If there is an assumption that by putting all our eggs in the wind/solar basket when the rhetoric is that we are going to have huge climate variation within 20-30 years, that sort of thinking is not logical. Mass extinction is highly unlikely. Even if the pollution is responsible for massive interruption in climate stability; (which is still not proven beyond doubt), it is unlikely to result in the extinction of mankind. Groups of people will survive. There are far more pressing matters confronting mankind than climate change. And until the most heavily polluting nations come to the place where they actually lead the rest of the world in reducing their pollution, the efforts of the rest of the planet are in vain. A nuclear winter would be a much bigger catastrophe than climate change. Yes its off-topic Alan, but we all have strong opinions on subjects, and I couldn't let one or two of your comments go unchallenged. |
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Drivers racing: yes! Tyres: yes! Refuelling: I think not. It forces teams to make their pitstops at a certain point and limits the on-the-fly strategic decisions. Simulations: Well, the more freedom the teams have, the more likely they are to arrive at different solutions. Aero: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes! I've said it many times that downforce should be cut to near zero, but sadly I've accepted it will never happen so I've given up banging on about it. |
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I am half hoping that McLaren massively go backwards and have a terrible season. Because if that happens I think that Norris or at least Piastri will sign for Red Bull in 2025. Perez was terrible last year, I am not convinced by Tsunoda and I think Ricciardo has lost his form, so think any of them against Verstappen will be another boring season in 2025. Lando Norris against Max Verstappen would be Nico Rosberg against Lewis Hamilton all over again. Oscar Piastri against Max Verstappen might be although I am less convinced. Alternatively, McLaren having a car equal to the Red Bull so we can have that title battle in different teams, with both of them, would be much better but so much more unlikely.
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Simulation of Formula One car with no downforce by Willem Toet, Sauber aerodynamicist: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/formu...s-willem-toet/ The no downforce, low drag car was much faster on the main straight, but much slower everywhere else including all the shorter straights. Even Formula Two and Indycars which are about half the downforce, 3G cornering instead of 5G cornering and +10s/lap already look kind of slow compared to Formula One. Isn't part of the USP of Formula One, that they are incredibly fast cars around a racing (road) circuit? There were numerous complaints in 2014 that the low downforce cars at that time were not stimulating enough for the drivers. The drivers missed the "wow factor" of the high downforce lap record cars from 2003 and 2004, hence why measures were taken to make the cars as quick as back then if not quicker. Last edited by V8 Fireworks; 21 Jan 2024 at 05:43. |
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Most of the F1 fans are hoping for some competition for Red Bull but at the same time, they know that this is not gonna happen at least in this season. In terms of expectations, I am expecting a great battle between Ferrari, McLaren, and Mercedes for the second spot in the constructors' championship.
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Exactly. With the way that RBR is built around Max, Norris would be a complete idiot to go there. Better off to stay the likely leading challenger with McLaren.
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Twenty years ago there was doubt, ten years ago there was debate, the doubt has gone, the debate is over, it's no longer in the future it's happening now. It's no longer a matter of opinion but one of fact and while you are entitled to your own opinion you are not entitled to your own facts. Fortunately. As to pointing out that a nuclear winter would be worse than climate change what's that got to do with it? Personally I don't fancy either. This is hopelessly off topic and part of me regrets feeding the troll and adding to the noise but some things have to be said. Maybe all the climate change posts in this thread could just be deleted if a mod has a moment so we can get back to discussing F1. |
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I'm afraid that climate change does affect all ICE forms of motorsport, and to a lesser degree even EV sport. And especially when it concerns flying multiple 747s backwards and forwards so that racing can take place in so many countries around the world. Plus, the even more polluting cargo ships that take multiple containers full of spares and tyres for those races. It's something that needs to be discussed seriously by those who are in charge of all forms of motorsport. |
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I am sure Norris is confident he can beat Max. Even if he is wrong, but I think it would be like a Rosberg-Hamilton situation in terms of their ability and Rosberg eventually got a title out of that. And he won 20 races across 2014-2016. Lando Norris is currently yet to win one. I think he should definitely go to Red Bull if given the chance, unless McLaren look like a victory contender in 2024.
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Of course, perhaps I wasn't clear, it affects Motorsport in general and F1 in particular and as a sport we are trying to find a way forward, how we respond to the situation we are in is something that concerns us all. When I said it was irrelevant I was referring to the pointless regurgitation of the long settled arguments about whether it is happening and whether it matters. |
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No downforce would be pretty cool. I would love to see the cars sliding around more like Jim Clark or Stirling Moss were driving them. Those drivers were visibly better than anyone else at the time just from watching, it would be nice if that were the case again. However, a big appeal of F1 is the fact that it is the fastest cars, which would certainly not be the case.
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1. This may seem hopelessly off topic but it started in response to another person who made a comment about the future if petrol powered vehicles. 2. It may seem off topic and that you want to talk about F1. But the present climate agenda is so radical they would destroy F1 by 2030 (and all other motorsport) if they could. 3. Go and listen (if you want to inform your knowledge base) to Dr Patrick Moore talk about global warming and Co2. Truth may be uncomfortable, but being informed is far more important. Patrick Moore was one of the original leaders of Greenpeace and a number of videos from his lectures and TED talks are on You Tube. Ten Tenths is an open forum about motorsport and this thread is about the future of F1 and what we would hope for. Shutting people down because they don't agree with your particular belief on an issue isn't conducive to free and open discussion. Contribute by all means but dont try kill discussion just because you don't agree with it. |
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Maybe. Some of the best racing I have watched over the last four or five decades has been Formula Ford! Despite it being oh so slow! Close racing, drafting, multiple lead changes, fighting tooth and nail for the entire race and the winner usually in doubt even on the last lap!
The step up from there is to aero and crappy tyres and it ruins the racing. I just watched a weekend of Formula Regional (incidentally using "fossil-free fuel") and it was just boring. A bit of a fight for the first couple of laps then into tyre saving mode for two thirds of the race then a few scraps in the last few laps. Anyone who tries to do anything else just tumbles down the field towards the end. Bloody hopeless! If I want to watch that sort of racing I could get plenty of that with road cycle racing. Strangely, I'm not into that either! Edit. Actually I think it is the tyres that ruin the racing, more than the aero. Give them tyres they can actually race on, cut the aero back so they can follow or even pass in the twisty bits. They might be a bit slower - so what! Even if the drivers don't like them, they will still race them. That's the way it is. Last edited by Rusty Nail; 21 Jan 2024 at 22:43. Reason: Reflecting |
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