2010 Formula BMW Europe - Page 4

dragster · 26 Feb 2010, 19:42 (Ref:2641103)

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Originally Posted by speedkills

Euro 300,000 fees for racing FBMW is precisely why the series will fail sooner rather than later. The teams deserve what they get with the noose and greed they have created. They have no interest in Junior Drivers developing skills. They only care about how much they can scam out of young hopefulls.

Many other series in the world with more power etc for similar money. Drivers may as well experience real power for the same money.

Eventually there will be many series shut down due to no more drivers willing to get ripped off. FBMW especially is not a very expoesnive car to run and maintain yet the teams charge F3 sort of money that has 10 times more maintenance requirements.

FBMW is no longer relevent. Its just a scam for teams to keep getting paid for cars that need little maintenance yet they charge as if the cars were F3 cars

I think You are wrong on this consideration. Formula BMW Europe race in F1 events and has produced the best drivers of last few years, now in F1.
If You are a professional Team, the car required a lot of work and there are many days of private tests plus 14 days of collective test in 300K budgets , including insurance for crash damages.
Formula BMW is not...club racing ...as You think !!!

JohnMiller · 26 Feb 2010, 19:54 (Ref:2641109)

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Originally Posted by dragster

Formula BMW Europe race in F1 events and has produced the best drivers of last few years, now in F1.

What ex-FBMW Europe drivers are in F1?

Shaddix · 26 Feb 2010, 20:50 (Ref:2641148)

so far none, but some are on their way

considering FBMW Europe has evoluated out of FBMW Addac and FBMW UK you could say Nicolas Hulkenberg, Sebastian Vettel and Nico Rosberg

JohnMiller · 26 Feb 2010, 20:53 (Ref:2641149)

Or you could be accurate and say none!

Shaddix · 26 Feb 2010, 21:00 (Ref:2641154)

yes, but you can't blame the championship for that, it only has 2 complete seasons so far

and the first champion, Esteban Gutierez has just signed a contract with Sauber as part of their young driver development plan, so they are delivering some quality drivers

but I have to agree that prices are way too high, you can almost have a complete F2 season for that money...

dragster · 26 Feb 2010, 21:33 (Ref:2641166)

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Originally Posted by Shaddix

yes, but you can't blame the championship for that, it only has 2 complete seasons so far

and the first champion, Esteban Gutierez has just signed a contract with Sauber as part of their young driver development plan, so they are delivering some quality drivers

but I have to agree that prices are way too high, you can almost have a complete F2 season for that money...

Do not confuse "apples with oranges"....and do not compare Formula BMW with F2 just because Euro 300K are close to 275K Pds...
If Formula BMW Europe should be run, without tests, and F1 events (and exposure !!!) under one sole organization ( very bad ...as F2 ?) should cost ...100K Euros...
Vettel, Buemi, Hulkemberg, Glock, Rosberg....are coming from Formula BMW...now Gutierrez is Sauber testing driver, if USF1 ever run...Alexander Rossi will be the same....and wait for Felipe Nasr etc.

bothfeetin · 3 Mar 2010, 07:02 (Ref:2643815)

Hurray - Dragster and Shaddix - you are right! E300.- are a lot but then in Europe everything is expensive - from fuel for the truck, time on the road not like in the States where all teams run more than 12hr driving periods; insurance, personnel, hotels and food plus the biggy here -Social costs Were I worked before - we tried and tried to figure out a lesser costly program - all we came up with was lesser car, engine, gearbox replacements (thinking of hours spend to make it, the car, just a little bit better).

And so what if the drivers are not (yet or never) are in F1? Ever thought of the many who now drive VERY successful in Europe and the Americas touring cars in ALMS, ELMS and so on? Near all started in open wwheels and many raced in FBMW.

JohnMiller - facts is what we need - not hatred or fiction - why would anybody wish FBMW going away? Wonderful series, dedicated teams for juniors, best in hospitality and - friendly environment - mostly!

If one wants to blame the state of affairs we are in today - jealous manufacturers like Dallara with their new all-in-three series car, Williams with the F2 car, organizers, FIA, F1 principals - they all have now their own series - too many my friend - too many for the amount of drivers available.

Prices are tumbling, lures of and with great prizes - all this is the nail to the demise of smaller teams and the end of a great era in motor sport. We need small teams! Where do they all go after this F2 epidemic (only one team runs the show)?

JohnMiller · 3 Mar 2010, 07:26 (Ref:2643826)

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Originally Posted by bothfeetin

JohnMiller - facts is what we need - not hatred or fiction - why would anybody wish FBMW going away? Wonderful series, dedicated teams for juniors, best in hospitality and - friendly environment - mostly!

I never said I wanted it to go away. Far from it. I just pointed out that it was inaccurate to say drivers had gone from it to F1.

bothfeetin · 3 Mar 2010, 07:53 (Ref:2643833)

JohMiller - perhaps i don't read between the lines as they are encrypted....
to see FBMW Europe (ex GB and German) and Americas (ex USA) or even Pacific as 3 different shoes requires to know that they are ALL the same,were and are! Yes different results, for sure as we are here in Asia lacking the greatness of Schumacher, Hill's, and so on - but we are all in it - FBMW!

To ask and then say "Or you could be accurate and say none!" does not bring out a positive in my view.

Not sure if you ever have been to an FBMW event - I hope not as it would have been a real dissatisfying experience for you seeing these young lions giving back in good driving, fighting what their parent had invested in them.

And thanks for not thinking FBMW should go away.

**gomick** · 3 Mar 2010, 09:39 (Ref:2643880)

Entry List...

4 Robin Frijns (NL) Josef Kaufmann Racing
5 Hannes Van Asseldonk (NL) (R) Josef Kaufmann Racing
6 Petri Suvanto (FI) (R) Josef Kaumann Racing
7 Marciej Bernacik (PL) (R) Mu cke-Motorsport
8 Timmy Hansen (SE) Mu cke-Motorsport
11 Daniil Kyvat (RU) (R) Eurointernational
12 Carlos Sainz (ES) (R) Eurointernational
14 Michael Lewis (US) Eurointernational
15 Javier Tarancon (ES) DAMS
17 Fahmi Ilyas (MY) DAMS
18 Facu Regalia (AR) Eifelland Racing
19 Cô me Ledogar (FR) Eifelland Racing
20 Marc Coleselli (AT) (R) Eifelland Racing
24 Jack Harvey (GB) Fortec Motorsports
25 George Katsinis (GR) Fortec Motorsports

Not many drivers - will FBMW be around in 2011

META4 · 3 Mar 2010, 10:12 (Ref:2643896)

No More world final, no more BMW in F1,no More test for the Winner then no more interest for this expensive serie

Look at Formula Abarth, why does it work? "just" because Fiat-Ferrari supports the ladder Formula Abarth-Italian F3-F1 Test

Formula BMW = No Honey - No Money

Alex K · 3 Mar 2010, 10:21 (Ref:2643902)

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Originally Posted by bothfeetin

Not sure if you ever have been to an FBMW event - I hope not as it would have been a real dissatisfying experience for you seeing these young lions giving back in good driving, fighting what their parent had invested in them.

And thanks for not thinking FBMW should go away.

I think he was, check on linkedin who this guy is. AFAIK BMW still backs drivers, know that some of'em were partly supported by BMW affiliated companies. If so, this championship may be on life support. Problem with it, and prob F3ES is, IMO, they went global. Costs had risen because of that. FBMWE went on to be under FIA/F1 billing, maybe change of approach is needed for them to survive, maybe back to basics and creating FBMWGB, FBMWDeu... although I doubt it'll work - to many very well organised series in UK.

NB. Gomick, this Polish chap's name is Maciej.

bothfeetin · 3 Mar 2010, 12:53 (Ref:2644010)

man oh man....why is it that people don't read all what has been written but just pick the plums and leave the leaves?

My sentiment, same as yours...too many series. FF1600 as well as FBMW were constantly there for the youngsters...now the hawks flying low and see all rats...no more nice field mice! Get it?

Abarth...sure come on-board of the sinking ship as so many did and all of them wait to see who is dropping out first!
Come on Gentlemen we need to support the one which has supported/was there when nobody gave a young driver a chance.

Yes - no more F1 ride, no more World Finals -let's see how the Abarth's of the world will do in 20 years - can't wait as then I am 70 or more. What a blast!
STUPID to even think that they will have that success what BMW/ADAC and FF1600 had and still has. And Formula Masters...another great success! KERS and all that promise, just drumming up the slightly "green" parents for money!

Seems even discussions on the foren of motorsport are as miserable as the reality seems to be.

Wished we all would use our own name - to see who is joking and who is just un-employed and has nothing but what comes in a critical moment of his social life, onto this otherwise valuable forum.

Good bye

Alex K · 3 Mar 2010, 13:28 (Ref:2644045)

Hey mate, don't know what your point is, really. No money, no honey, only the strongest will survive. If you are a FBMW team manager, I'd suggest stop bashing start looking for money and drivers.
My name is Marcin BTW.

Valker · 8 Mar 2010, 14:59 (Ref:2647478)

The first official test is today and tomorrow in Monza, right?

Go_For_Pole · 8 Mar 2010, 15:17 (Ref:2647492)

No, it's tomorrow and Wednesday. I understand that Lombard will join DAMS for the test (at least)

Go_For_Pole · 10 Mar 2010, 10:06 (Ref:2648776)

Monza test
Day 1 (times from italiaracing)
1 - Daniil Kvyat - Eurointernational - 2'00"577
2 - Carlos Sainz - Eurointernational - 2'00"865
3 - George Katsinis - Fortec - 2'01"033
4 - Jack Harvey - Fortec - 2'01"119
5 - Michael Lewis - Eurointernational - 2'01"208
6 - Robin Frijns - Kaufmann - 2'01"300
7 - Timmy Hansen - Mucke - 2'01"304
8 - Javier Tarancon - Dams - 2'01"379
9 - Fahmi Ilyas - Dams - 2'01"600
10 - Facundo Regalia - Eifelland - 2'02"022
11 - Come Ledogar - Eifelland - 2'02"236
12 - Hannes Van Asseldonk - Kaufmann - 2'02"758
13 - Petri Suvanto - Kaufmann - 2'02"811
14 - Marciej Bernacik - Mucke - 2'03"181
15 - Marc Coleselli - Eifelland - 2'03"567

Day 2
Snowed off

Go_For_Pole · 22 Mar 2010, 08:22 (Ref:2657667)

Testing in Barcelona yesterday and today, 17 cars present with von Gruningen joining Fortec and Lombard joining DAMS. Very, very close at the front:

1 - Robin Frijns - Kaufmann - 1'50"442
2 - Carlos Sainz - Eurointernational - 1'50"562
3 - Michael Lewis - Eurointernational - 1'50"633
4 - George Katsinis - Fortec - 1'50"634
5 - Timmy Hansen - Mucke - 1'50"710
6 - Daniil Kvyat - Eurointernational - 1'50"829
7 - Christof Von Gruningen - Fortec - 1'50"914
8 - Facundo Regalia - Eifelland - 1'50"944
9 - Jack Harvey - Fortec - 1'50"945
10 - Olivier Lombard - Dams - 1'51"062
11 - Hannes Van Asseldonk - Kaufmann - 1'51"133
12 - Javier Tarancon - Dams - 1'51"237
13 - Petri Suvanto - Kaufmann - 1'51"258
14 - Come Ledogar - Eifelland - 1'51"322
15 - Fahmi Ilyas - Dams - 1'51"831
16 - Marc Coleselli - Eifelland - 1'52"012
17 - Maciej Bernacik - Mucke - 1'52"981

Tom Emmen · 20 Apr 2010, 17:32 (Ref:2676740)

Hi There,

Does someone knows the lap times of today maybe of the test at Zandvoort.

Thanks in advance!

F1 Prospects · 27 Apr 2010, 04:58 (Ref:2680307)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Emmen

Hi There,

Does someone knows the lap times of today maybe of the test at Zandvoort.

Thanks in advance!

Here you go!

http://f1prospects.com/formula-bmw-e...il-20-21-2010/

**gomick** · 9 May 2010, 14:00 (Ref:2687150)

Round 1 has been run & won at Catalunya - Jack Harvey had pole for both races & won race 1, Robin Frijns won race 2...

2010 Standings

F1 Prospects · 9 May 2010, 14:08 (Ref:2687154)

Here are the race reports for both races.

Race 1: http://f1prospects.com/fbmw-europe-h...-in-barcelona/

Race 2: http://f1prospects.com/fbmw-europe-f...-in-barcelona/

Mr Pink · 9 May 2010, 17:16 (Ref:2687365)

Way to go Timmy Hansen!

runshaw · 9 May 2010, 22:40 (Ref:2687590)

Way to go Jack Harvey! He was interviewed during Formula 1 practice 2 on Friday which was good exposure for him. And then got a mention from Martin Brundle and Jonathan Legard during qualy about his winning performance.

speedkills · 11 May 2010, 14:16 (Ref:2688628)

What happened to the all dominant Eurointernational Team?

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