marshalling internationally?

[NewYankee01]

Originally Posted by Coach Ep

Why not trying email and Google translator?? Send your message both in English and Finnish, if the person your´re attending to doesn´t speak or understands English, he/she can forward it to someone who does. Et voila, problem solved! (How hard can it actually be?)

hahaha! yes i know, not very hard at all, its ok doing common easy words in small broken sentences, the online translators arent quite good enough yet, itd be quite easy to get a message deleted as spam when someone gets a literal translation! its only recently that the few translators i do use spells marshal correctly (with the right context) in the majority of languages, pretty much most times i have had to use translators and hoped for the best, didnt get much replies...

[Woolley]

I'm really not sure where you're coming from on this. You say you've got into events in the UK that are 'quite hard to'. I wasn't aware that there were any, other than a few demand a certain level of experience and a selection criteria is applied.

As for who to contact, as with any event it's the Chief Marshal or marshal's secretary. It's not unreasonable that they should expect a common language since you're expecting to spend all day - or week-end - on post with them so they need to be able to converse to at least a reasonable extent. If you can't manage an answerphone I imagine that post briefings will be somewhat of a challenge.

The great thing about our marshalling hobby is that you can go all over the world to partake in it. That doesn't mean that you can expect to and I doubt that chiefs all over are sitting by their telephone in case some foreigner wishes to converse in their own language. There is some assistance available from the MSA and other marshals, but on the whole you need to get out there and sort it yourself, and if you're struggling with that then it's a reasonable guide that you may have difficulties when you get there as well. You should always view an away trip as being a guest of the organisers in just the same way as if you were staying in their house.

[m1fcf]

Originally Posted by NewYankee01

the way phones work is if you dont get through to someone you get answer phone, meaning i couldnt speak to the bloke i wanted to, thats why i got the finnish, he may speak english/he may not, an answer phone cant let you do that...

WARNING - - WARNING

But isnt an Answerphone beep the same in any language? Surely you wait for the Beep, then reel off what you can:

Hello, my name is {name}, I am a British Marshal who is interested in {event}. Please contact me on {phone} or by {email}.

Many thanks,
{name}

Originally Posted by Finnish via Google

Hei, nimeni on {nimi}, olen brittiläinen sotamarsalkka, joka on kiinnostunut {tapahtuma}. Ota yhteyttä minuun {puhelimessa} tai {email}.

Suuret kiitokset,
{nimi}

END OF WARNING - - END OF WARNING

Carry on...

[NewYankee01]

Originally Posted by Woolley

I'm really not sure where you're coming from on this. You say you've got into events in the UK that are 'quite hard to'. I wasn't aware that there were any, other than a few demand a certain level of experience and a selection criteria is applied.

rallies where the majority of people have never heard of or been to, certain oval car, speedway race nights with some private companies you need weird training for certain track days,. i wasnt talking about your normal meetings like goodwood and f1, almost anyone gets let into them some time or another and theyre easily booked and located (on a world famous circuit! or hillclimb)...

[NewYankee01]

Originally Posted by m1fcf

WARNING - - WARNING

But isnt an Answerphone beep the same in any language? Surely you wait for the Beep, then reel off what you can:

END OF WARNING - - END OF WARNING

Carry on...

hahaha!
didnt wait, realised i wasnt going to get anywhere... im setting myself up but wasnt smart enough to speak to him in english, cant be bothered with answer phones though, id prefer to ring them up later, even though itd cost me... and the beep sounded a little differently wasnt sure if it was him or the beep!

[Mark Mitchell]

Originally Posted by NewYankee01

rallies where mere mortals have never heard of or been to, certain oval car, speedway race nights with some private companies you need weird training for certain track days,. i wasnt talking about your normal meetings like goodwood and f1, almost anyone gets let into them some time or another and theyre easily booked and located (on a well known circuit!)...

Rallies Ask Ian Briggs (On Here) - there won't be any that he's not heard of!
Speedway Try http://www.speedwaygb.co/gbe.html (Governing Body) or speak to the promoter at your local track
Private Companies Self explainatory really!

Speedway and private events (ie Non-MSA sanctioned events) means you will not be insured by the MSA (Not 100% sure if this extends to BMMC)

[NewYankee01]

Originally Posted by Mark Mitchell

Rallies Ask Ian Briggs (On Here) - there won't be any that he's not heard of!
Speedway Try http://www.speedwaygb.co/gbe.html (Governing Body) or speak to the promoter at your local track
Private Companies Self explainatory really!

Speedway and private events (ie Non-MSA sanctioned events) means you will not be insured by the MSA (Not 100% sure if this extends to BMMC)

probably wont be insured if its not under msa permit, well worth an ask though

[Bodysnatcher]

mere mortals, that's us told then.

not fair, you changed it to "the majority of people"

just as well Mark quoted you

<work mode>
There are some people who we can help and then there are others where we just switch the respirator off. They're never coming back. Tests show them to be brain dead.
</work mode>

[Piglet]

LOL - mere motals! NewYankee you confuse me - you turned up at the start of the season proclaiming that you were a newbie and a trainee and now you've been there and done everything better than everyone else and know everything about everything...if this were Pistonheads we'd be calling custard!

[Bodysnatcher]

we've tried the gentle approach to helping you.
but

Originally Posted by NewYankee01

<snip>
ive also read pretty much all the international threads and tried everything people have said, it must be me
<snip>

nail head hammer perhaps

Slow down, learn your trade quietly and then maybe next year or the year after that set sail for foreign climes.
I keep saying it.
Others who travel widely have to accept you before you can join in with them.
You can come across as a bit frantic in print.

Maybe any written communication you have with non English speakers comes across even worse. How are you doing at these events that us mere mortals know little of when the chiefs meet you face to face?
Positive feedback?

[Richard Sneader]

Marshalled post 8(old post 4) at Spa F1 this year. Have marshalled meetings at Spa previuosly. I also have contact for Zolder and work with a regular team when I go over there. I have invites to Assen and Zolder so will try and fit them in for 2012 hopefully. Alot is who you know. I have taken marshals to Zolder before and would happily take a couple over again. St Gueno Hill Climb in France is an excellent event and is already on my calander for 2012. Accom already booked too. And Le Mans when I can.
Marshalling abroad is great fun and a great learning experience.
Found it hard to get into Monza for a non F1 meeting but Vallelunga was an experience.
I do miss Croix though.
Give it a try but I recommend you go with a small group or someone who has marshalled abroad before for your first time at least

[NewYankee01]

Originally Posted by Piglet

LOL - mere motals! NewYankee you confuse me - you turned up at the start of the season proclaiming that you were a newbie and a trainee and now you've been there and done everything better than everyone else and know everything about everything...if this were Pistonheads we'd be calling custard!

hahaha, im new to circuit racing yes, but not rallying. i dont proclaim to do everything better, it just may come across that way but i love the way a lot of people either reads the previous posts or remembers everything ever written...

[Bodysnatcher]

Originally Posted by NewYankee01

but i love the way a lot of people either reads the previous posts or remembers everything ever written...

you are memorable

yeah and what he says

vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv

[m1fcf]

Originally Posted by NewYankee01

remembers everything ever written...

No need, when Ten-Tenths does it for you....

http://tentenths.com/forum/search.php?searchid=894391

[Woolley]

I'm fascinated the we all seem to remember, but the poster doesn't...

[NewYankee01]

Originally Posted by Bodysnatcher

we've tried the gentle approach to helping you.
but

nail head hammer perhaps

Slow down, learn your trade quietly and then maybe next year or the year after that set sail for foreign climes.
I keep saying it.
Others who travel widely have to accept you before you can join in with them.
You can come across as a bit frantic in print.

Maybe any written communication you have with non English speakers comes across even worse. How are you doing at these events that us mere mortals know little of when the chiefs meet you face to face?
Positive feedback?

yes yes, mere mortals! how i regret that! you will find most of my posts are edited, i rush all my posts, thats why they appear to have been written by a small kid!

[NewYankee01]

Originally Posted by Woolley

I'm fascinated the we all seem to remember, but the poster doesn't...

course i do i know im the point of interest but isnt this getting a little too off subject... i wanted to find out about marshalling abroad like most people and i have this!

[Charlyw001]

Have you contacted the MSA to get a letter of international permission or for a better word introduction [can't think of a better term to call this certificate/letter]? It gives your grade status/name/address etc. Mine for 2012 arrived today now need to figure out the next step which I guess is applying for events or being invited.

It's good to see a simple question is getting so much attention

Charlotte

[johngee]

Originally Posted by Woolley

As for who to contact, as with any event it's the Chief Marshal or marshal's secretary. It's not unreasonable that they should expect a common language since you're expecting to spend all day - or week-end - on post with them so they need to be able to converse to at least a reasonable extent. If you can't manage an answerphone I imagine that post briefings will be somewhat of a challenge.

The great thing about our marshalling hobby is that you can go all over the world to partake in it. That doesn't mean that you can expect to and I doubt that chiefs all over are sitting by their telephone in case some foreigner wishes to converse in their own language. There is some assistance available from the MSA and other marshals, but on the whole you need to get out there and sort it yourself, and if you're struggling with that then it's a reasonable guide that you may have difficulties when you get there as well. You should always view an away trip as being a guest of the organisers in just the same way as if you were staying in their house.

I don't often get to post in this part of the forum and I don't want to start an arguement as to whether I now count as a marshal ( incidentally, I believe that I do - it's just a 'specialist' grade). During my years on post before the 'post' became race control, I did many overseas meetings and have now been lucky enough to continue doing that in my current role. I've had some fabulous times, made some lasting friendships and learnt so much.
The point of my post is to reiterate Woolley's point, particularly the last sentence. It's a great experience if you can (and want) to do it but always remember that you're a guest and behave accordingly.
The world of motor sport may give you the opportunity to offer your services but not to expect the organisers to accept your offer or to make allowances for your language skills (or lack thereof)

[Stephen Green]

Well said John and good to see you back

[pauln]

Originally Posted by NewYankee01

yes yes, mere mortals! how i regret that! you will find most of my posts are edited, i rush all my posts, thats why they appear to have been written by a small kid!

Your posts do sometimes come across like that, yes. It's also rare that I (and I think most people) notice that something's been edited. There's so much on this and other forums on Tenths - plus "real life" that I don't have the time. All of which means that we're left with the first impressions. Could I suggest that you write a draft.... Leave it a bit... Edit it... Then post.

[exflagman]

Originally Posted by NewYankee01

yes yes, mere mortals! how i regret that! you will find most of my posts are edited, i rush all my posts, thats why they appear to have been written by a small kid!

Can't help feeling thats also your approach to marshalling.

You start the season as a trainee and already you appear to assume you can flag to the GP next year.

[theracegypsy]

Originally Posted by Bodysnatcher

(edited TRG)
I keep saying it.
Others who travel widely have to accept you before you can join in with them.

Positive feedback?

Foreign Chief Marshals will often ask visitors who have worked their events previously, and who they know and trust, if the new applicant is known to them.

First impressions here as much as abroad are a major factor in what the reply could be. None of the people who marshal regularly want to upset their relationships by recommending someone they are not sure of.

Charlyw001 I am sending you a PM

[chriskench]

hi just like to know where to go to.to apply to do international meetings like spa canadain gp thanks chris


[Chris I've moved your post to this recent thread on the same subject - Piglet]

[chriskench]

Originally Posted by chriskench

hi just like to know where to go to.to apply to do international meetings like spa canadain gp thanks chris


[Chris I've moved your post to this recent thread on the same subject - Piglet]

ok thanks