[Driver] Congratulations Sebastian Vettel- TRIPLE world champion.

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by Marbot

When you look back over just the last 25 years, you will see that most teams won at least twice on the trot, and anything up to four or five times on the trot!

We aren't witnessing anything new. In fact you can say that, for F1, it's all completely normal.

I was looking at this more from a driver's perspective rather than from purely a team perspective.

[Marbot]

Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

I was looking at this more from a driver's perspective rather than from purely a team perspective.

Well, there's not much that you can do about that. In the very recent past, pitting two so-called 'head-strong' drivers against each other, in the same team, hasn't really worked (McLaren, 2007). F1 isn't what it used to be, when the likes of a very dominant Williams or McLaren could stick two 'head-strong' drivers in their cars, and still easily come out on top without some other driver sneaking up on them to win the drivers championship.

[Adam43]

It didn't always work for Williams either!

[Beetle]

Originally Posted by Marbot

But Red Bull will still have Newey, so surely it's already game over? Were you being sarcastic I wonder?

Are you being sarcastic? No doubting Newey's a great constructor!

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by Adam43

It didn't always work for Williams either!

Or for McLaren in '89.

[Marbot]

Originally Posted by Beetle

Are you being sarcastic? No doubting Newey's a great constructor!

Indeed. No sarcasm required.

Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

Or for McLaren in '89.

Well, the point is that a 'McLaren' driver won the title during a run of four titles on the trot for them. It matters not to them which driver won it. If Felipe had won the title for Ferrari on Sunday, they would have been just as overjoyed about it. It only mattered that, in 89, McLaren had a dominant enough car to allow their drivers to race, and that's never ever a given in today's F1.

[Adam43]

Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

Or for McLaren in '89.

1-2 in the WDC and winning WCC?
'86 with Williams was a miss.

[mountainstar]

People thought that Schumacher's records would never be challenged but maybe they will be. He still has a long way to go, but it's not impossible

[Beetle]

Originally Posted by mountainstar

People thought that Schumacher's records would never be challenged but maybe they will be. He still has a long way to go, but it's not impossible

No, but definitely not likely. Could Kimi perhaps win a world championship? Probably even more likely if they don't sign Massa again and Kimi eventually moves back to Ferrari.

I think it's Jenson's year next year, to be honest.

[safc_fan89]

Originally Posted by mountainstar

People thought that Schumacher's records would never be challenged but maybe they will be. He still has a long way to go, but it's not impossible

You just have to look at Alonso's lack of titles since his last to see how things can dry up if you don't have the car or you don't take your chances. He could have 4, even 5, but only has two. To win as many titles as Schumacher did you have to get it right so many times. It's difficult. Vettel's not even halfway there, regarding the titles!

The pole record will probably go though.

[wnut]

Originally Posted by safc_fan89

You just have to look at Alonso's lack of titles since his last to see how things can dry up if you don't have the car or you don't take your chances. He could have 4, even 5, but only has two. To win as many titles as Schumacher did you have to get it right so many times. It's difficult. Vettel's not even halfway there, regarding the titles!

The pole record will probably go though.

Maybe he'll get another!

With this:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/for...ose-title.html



I understood that stewards' decisions could not be appealed!

[Marbot]

You appear to have come across a Daily Mail article.

[Marbot]

Originally Posted by wnut

I understood that stewards' decisions could not be appealed!

The important thing to understand here is that this was something that the stewards missed on FOM footage, and was picked up on other (SKY?) onboard footage. The overtake on the STR was the only illegal move, but the stewards didn't see it. But Vettel should have seen the yellow lights on his dash...................

[wnut]

Originally Posted by Marbot

The important thing to understand here is that this was something that the stewards missed on FOM footage, and was picked up on other (SKY?) onboard footage. The overtake on the STR was the only illegal move, but the stewards didn't see it. But Vettel should have seen the yellow lights on his dash...................

Thanks Marbot but apparently not as per developments on the other thread ....Hopefully!

[Marbot]

Originally Posted by wnut

Thanks Marbot but apparently not as per developments on the other thread ....Hopefully!

No. Unlike the ROTW, Vettel saw a green flag.

[Mr V]

Originally Posted by Beetle

No, but definitely not likely. Could Kimi perhaps win a world championship? Probably even more likely if they don't sign Massa again and Kimi eventually moves back to Ferrari.

Didn't Kimi recently say words to the effect that he was glad to have seen the back of Ferrari?

[wnut]

Originally Posted by Mr V

Didn't Kimi recently say words to the effect that he was glad to have seen the back of Ferrari?

This Mr V?

http://www.jacarandafm.com/kagiso/co...-leave-Ferrari


Good summary of why I believe Vettel will never end up at Ferrari! Hamilton would hate it too.

[Beetle]

Originally Posted by wnut

This Mr V?

http://www.jacarandafm.com/kagiso/co...-leave-Ferrari


Good summary of why I believe Vettel will never end up at Ferrari! Hamilton would hate it too.

Well the Ferrari faster. You can't care too much to the effect of how personal things are going in the team. Who cares? Just race... in my opinion. To me, I still don't see a definitive answer to why Kimi would not move to Ferrari. Faster, perhaps even more reliable... seems a no-brainer to me.

I guess I don't understand in-team politics. Why would Hamilton leave Mercedes? Well, I don't think there was much meaning behind it. Whatever Hamilton might say, the solid fact is that the Mercedes cars are slower than the McLarens, by far. Look at the difference in Interlagos and the rest of the F1 calendar.

It's about racing, not about chit-chatting and social comfort.

[wnut]

Originally Posted by Beetle

It's about racing, not about chit-chatting and social comfort.

That is why they dumped Schu for Kimi, and Kimi for Alonso, and broke Massa's gearbox seal in Brazil?
Just racing, no politics.

[Beetle]

Originally Posted by wnut

That is why they dumped Schu for Kimi, and Kimi for Alonso, and broke Massa's gearbox seal in Brazil?
Just racing, no politics.

I'm not saying THEY'RE right. I'm saying they shouldn't. And it shouldn't matter. Sabotaging cars is not legal in Formula 1... yet teams find ways to get around it. But what did Ferrari ever do to Kimi? What massive point am I missing here?

[wnut]

Originally Posted by Beetle

I'm not saying THEY'RE right. I'm saying they shouldn't. And it shouldn't matter. Sabotaging cars is not legal in Formula 1... yet teams find ways to get around it. But what did Ferrari ever do to Kimi? What massive point am I missing here?

Paid him a years gardening leave to get Alonso in his seat!

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by Adam43

1-2 in the WDC and winning WCC?
'86 with Williams was a miss.

I'm well aware of what McLaren achieved, I was thinking more on the lines of the tension between Prost and Senna and that it culminated in a far from perfect end to an otherwise excellent season.

[Knowlesy]

Originally Posted by Beetle

Well the Ferrari faster. You can't care too much to the effect of how personal things are going in the team. Who cares? Just race... in my opinion. To me, I still don't see a definitive answer to why Kimi would not move to Ferrari. Faster, perhaps even more reliable... seems a no-brainer to me.

I guess I don't understand in-team politics. Why would Hamilton leave Mercedes? Well, I don't think there was much meaning behind it. Whatever Hamilton might say, the solid fact is that the Mercedes cars are slower than the McLarens, by far. Look at the difference in Interlagos and the rest of the F1 calendar.

It's about racing, not about chit-chatting and social comfort.

Racing is just like any other job. If you aren't completely happy, if there are things on your mind, then you will struggle and probably want to move away.

It's like when people say footballers shouldn't be unhappy and depressed because they are paid ludicrous money. When in actual fact, a footballer is more prone than most to mental troughs. Actually, all professional sportsmen.

[Aysedasi]

'Mental troughs' - I like that. but it's not just pro sportspeople who get those - they should try some of our jobs for a few days......

[Knowlesy]

Well my point was that we are all susceptible to these things and that people too readily say that sportspeople should be perfect at all times because they have money.

If I am working with people I hate then money or what I can achieve within that company isn't even a consideration eventually, I just want out. It is sustainable for a finite amount of time but eventually you just get dragged down. No different with your footballers or racing drivers.