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I already have.
however to be clear. Races that finish under local yellows is not about entertainment, Its about racing. Which is what the competitors are there to do. The entertainment is a side issue to racing |
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We saw a safety car for when Rick Kelly hit the wall at Forrest's Elbow.
The safety car boards were displayed post haste without any reasonable time for the use of waved double yellow flags to allow Rick to get out of the wall under his own steam. When then saw a car left in perhaps the most dangerous and exposed position in any race track in Australia because deploying the Safety Car would have most likely seen the race finish behind the Safety Car. |
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sorry, your point there? Not sure how it relates to safety car, are you suggesting that rick Kelly incident safety car was for entertainment? But i agree they went quickly on that one, but hardly entertainment |
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The concern I have with the car in the sand at the chase is that no cars reduced their speed through the double waved yellow.
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Yeah this race finished safely...this time. What if someone had brake failure? What if anything really? Is it worth risking it for a race finish? Why not just run NASCAR green white chequers in that situation? |
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Bianchi was a bit of a special case, wet conditions, recovery vehicle on track, open cockpit, individual not driving to the conditions.
You can't really single out Supercars for this when this type of practice is quite common in many series around the world. |
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Detonating an engine at 300 kph and losing control on its fluids could have been ugly.
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As for green white, why? we can do local yellows. Cant do that in NASCAR We managed to run multiple support categories on the weekend using local yellows with often amatuer drivers |
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The technology now exists to do Code 60 or Virtual Safety Car.The introduction of a Safety Car can change a race from a sporting contest to a raffle.It is like resetting the score at 0-0 in a football match when a player goes off injured.At one time it was necessary for safety compared to sending trucks out to pick up cars while the race continued at full speed.F1 and WEC have moved away from Safety Cars and it is time for Supercars to do the same.
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I think the last time this got all discussed you needed between $300k-$500k to do it. I've been a supplier to them in the past - have fun |
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And as for Supercars being safer than f1, not sure on that. You say every time a support vehicle is on track Supercars call a SC. Why not when marshalls run on the track? Also the support vehicle was not on track when bianchi hit it, it was in a run off zone, similar to where Todds Nissan was parked....you getting where this is going? |
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I will bet my left agate that the Marshal either asked for permission first or was directed by Race Control onto the track and would have been "covered" by a local Yella
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I guess people know where the cars are but still when I saw him run out it got my attention...
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Dry track, with no chance of aquaplaning.
Neither vehicle an open wheel car, or a piece of heavy equipment |
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Ah ok so it's about the conditions, fair enough. Yeah no rain you're right there, that negates a lot of risk. Yellows were out, that makes things safer too. Supercar weighs less than the crane bianchi hit, less weight less impact so safer again.
But... Conditions were good, so how did Kelly end up in the sand? Yellows were out, but as peckstar has said, if you look at sector times some drivers seemed to slow for the yellow, others not. So effectively the conditions are the same and in reality the yellows aren't out because some drivers are ignoring them. Sound safe? Look I do agree with you, in theory. Problem is in reality some drivers feel above yellow flags and there in lies the problem, not necessarily with the rules themselves. |
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Not even close, a hopeless oversimplification of what is required.
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Seems to me that yellows are now taken to mean simply "no passing"
I was taught that yellows mean caution, slow down AND no passing I didn't see Whincup do the first two... He was intent on gapping the field to negate the 15sec penalty. What if by blasting past the yellow at warp speed (whilst Willy D obeyed the flags and slowed down) Whincup was able to get sufficient gap to still win despite the penalty? Now THAT would have been interesting for the stewards! |
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