Ralf, Does any of his ex/team mates like him? - Page 4

Don K · 27 Dec 2002, 12:56 (Ref:458137)

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Originally posted by JohnSSC
Hey, if they managed to split Czechoslovakia into the Czech Republic and Slovakia...

I wouldn't call that "splitting".
Bohemia and Slovakia were clearly two different countries, with different people, temporarily forced into one republic -- probaly to defend the Slowakians from being absorbed by another country.

Don K · 27 Dec 2002, 13:01 (Ref:458142)

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Originally posted by AMoffat
Zinardi could out race Ralf any day of the week.

Then why didn't he do it on sundays?
Or at least on 1 of the 16 sundays?

Mr V · 27 Dec 2002, 13:12 (Ref:458152)

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Originally posted by AMoffat

Zinardi could out race Ralf any day of the week.

I would also say that Alex was very unlucky in the fact that, not only did that car not suit him but he also paired up with Rafe in the only year that Rafe really shone. I'd loved to have seen Alex in a Williams that suited his driving style a little more.

ASCII Man · 27 Dec 2002, 13:48 (Ref:458172)

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Originally posted by Don K
I wouldn't call that "splitting".
Bohemia and Slovakia were clearly two different countries, with different people, temporarily forced into one republic -- probaly to defend the Slowakians from being absorbed by another country.

Sounds pretty much like Belgium to me.

Anyway, Zanardi is fast and a good guy too, and would have made Ralfy Boy look like a wussy puss if he got the support from the team and a decent car. (well, not that a car with a 2 year old engine is decent IMO)

**Peter Mallett** · 27 Dec 2002, 13:51 (Ref:458176)

Folks.

Irrespective of the Ralf can't race theory. You all seem to be agreeing that Alex is not of F1 capability.

ASCII Man · 27 Dec 2002, 13:53 (Ref:458178)

Alex is capable, but not F1-style capable, if you know what i mean.

JohnSSC · 27 Dec 2002, 14:06 (Ref:458186)

I agree. Today's cars did not suit his style, just like they do not suit someone like Alesi.

Airhead · 27 Dec 2002, 22:41 (Ref:458477)

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Originally posted by Peter Mallett
Folks.

Irrespective of the Ralf can't race theory.

No, Pete, let's milk this one a little more

Don K · 27 Dec 2002, 22:47 (Ref:458483)

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Originally posted by AMoffat
No, Pete, let's milk this one a little more

OK.

Supposing Ralf can't race, what does that tell us about his victims (Zanardi, Button, Montoya)?

Mr V · 27 Dec 2002, 22:57 (Ref:458488)

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Originally posted by Don K

victims (Zanardi, Button, Montoya)?

3 rookies, and the first time one of these had a second seasons experience (montoya) then he finished behind his team-mate in the WDC

Sato san · 27 Dec 2002, 23:06 (Ref:458491)

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Originally posted by Don K
OK.

Supposing Ralf can't race, what does that tell us about his victims (Zanardi, Button, Montoya)?

i think the phrase cuckoo springs to mind !

the only way that Montoya would ever be Ralf's victim , is if he passed him on with the flu or something .

Speed · 27 Dec 2002, 23:26 (Ref:458500)

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Originally posted by mr v
3 rookies, and the first time one of these had a second seasons experience (montoya) then he finished behind his team-mate in the WDC

Thanks God we have Mr V in the house !

Exactly !

Second year and he beats Ralf..., and I´m pretty sure Jenson could do the same.

Mr V · 27 Dec 2002, 23:32 (Ref:458506)

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Originally posted by Speed
Thanks God we have Mr V in the house !

It is my role in life hehehehe

Lee Janotta · 28 Dec 2002, 00:09 (Ref:458541)

Zanardi was more than respectable with Lotus, consistently on pace with his teammates, including Herbert. He couldn't drive with the narrow cars and grooved tires, though. I don't think Jacques has ever been able to make the adjustment either, nor was Alesi. These just aren't proper race cars!

In the '97 cars, with reliability being equal, he'd have absolutely demolished Ralf.

**Peter Mallett** · 28 Dec 2002, 07:08 (Ref:458694)

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Originally posted by mr v
3 rookies, and the first time one of these had a second seasons experience (montoya) then he finished behind his team-mate in the WDC

A few corrections if I may.

Point 1. Alex was no rookie. He'd tried and failed in F1 previously.

Point 2. Only an apologist would say that a Cart Champion is a rookie. Anyone who has beaten the cream of Champcars and the cream of European F3000 is no rookie in anybody's language and I'd take issue with Roebuck on that one.

Point3. (Before you time I believe Mr V). The posters on this forum were lauding Jensen as a 'rookie' in the truest sense for his performances against Ralf who at that time was considered pretty good.

Going back to the first point. Alex had the most massive accident yet seen at Eau Rouge. To come back to racing from that demonstrates the sheer courage of the man. I find it slightly insulting that he gets called a rookie just to seemingly justify a slieght at Ralf.

Airhead · 28 Dec 2002, 07:26 (Ref:458698)

Alex was as you correctly say no rookie. Neither did he do as badly in the Williams as some would say. As a benchmark, his team-mate hardly set the world on fire that season and he had some standing in the team as far as relationships and experience goes.

Ralf will forever be a disappointment.

Alex has earned his stripes.

**Peter Mallett** · 28 Dec 2002, 07:47 (Ref:458702)

Moff.

You ill or something. Your post looks almost sensible!!!

Wrex · 28 Dec 2002, 08:12 (Ref:458708)

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Originally posted by Peter Mallett
Moff.

You ill or something. Your post looks almost sensible!!!

Are you ill Peter, or are you misreading Moffats dribble?

**Peter Mallett** · 28 Dec 2002, 08:15 (Ref:458709)

Nah,

Its called charity. (Well it is that time of the year.)

Airhead · 28 Dec 2002, 22:30 (Ref:459176)

Gentlemen,

Sorry must be slipping. I knew doing this sobber was a bad idea.

Ralf sucks - there it is said!

Now where is Ralf's Appologist to come and defend the indefensible - I miss young Steph.

Valve Bounce · 28 Dec 2002, 22:35 (Ref:459188)

Yes!! It is the one regret I have about bashing Ralf - Ralf's Girl seems to be avoiding the F1 forum as a result, which is a pity because we were great friends. I do miss her here.

Airhead · 28 Dec 2002, 23:01 (Ref:459225)

I think Steph has broad shoulders - metaphorically speaking that is.

Let's resume getting stuck into Ralf.

Valve Bounce · 29 Dec 2002, 00:25 (Ref:459284)

I've given up on that.

I'd rather concentrate on telling everyone here that Kimi will do well next year. All this negativity is not doing the Christmas spirit any good. Besides, I also think JPM will do well next year. Now that should start the tongues wagging.

ASCII Man · 29 Dec 2002, 00:50 (Ref:459294)

Isn't Christmas over yet?
But he's got a point there though.

Allright, i'll bring something positive too: Jacques will do fantastic next year, win several races and sign a four year deal with Ferrari (as N°1 driver ofcourse

) and thus kicking MS out who has gone out of favour with Ferrari!

Ahh yes, one can only dream of such a thing...

Wrex · 29 Dec 2002, 01:25 (Ref:459300)

Thats not even a dream mate (as some dreams can come true), thats a full blown fantasy!

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