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31 May 2003, 12:01 (Ref:615701)
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31 May 2003, 12:15 (Ref:615703)
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"If we won all the time, we'd be as unpopular as Ferrari, and we want to avoid that. We enjoy being a team that everybody likes." Flavio Briatore
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31 May 2003, 12:15 (Ref:615704)
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Sato would bin it no doubt! That is why BAR left him in england this weekend.
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Racing is in my...err... I was born to...um... Winning is...things and stuff...etc.. For sure!
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31 May 2003, 12:27 (Ref:615707)
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So if he can't race tomorrow Sato will be in right?
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Doesn't it seem sad that drivers like Fisichella, Coultard, Barrichello, and Ralf all have secure seats in F1, despite having had race winning cars for many more seasons than Jacques, yet failing to chalk up as many wins as he (let alone a WDC) that it is Jacques who doesn't have a drive in F1??? Sad indeed.
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31 May 2003, 12:40 (Ref:615710)
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Go Ralf!!!
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31 May 2003, 13:04 (Ref:615730)
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Whilst watching the warm-up, you missed an interview on ITV-F1 with Geoff Willis of BAR:
Tef Kravitz: Normally in this situation wouldn't you get your reserve driver to race. Takuma Sato? GW: Taku isn't available today TK: Isn't he here? GW: No, he's not here today. TK: Well, shouldn't he be here, in case of situations like this? GW: [You could tell that he'd just realised he'd said a bit too much, and was think Oh  ] I think you'd beter ask David [Richards] that sort of question.
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31 May 2003, 13:31 (Ref:615773)
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poor button!!! that accident looked really nasty (well duh!) but even so, OMG!! poor guy, he did pretty well yesterday didn't he?
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31 May 2003, 13:36 (Ref:615779)
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bet TS was kicking himself that he wasn't. Thats sod's law for you
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31 May 2003, 14:24 (Ref:615842)
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here is another video of the accident, if anyone (like me) didnt get the other video i linked before.
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/dsmith1...ctiseCrash.mpg god damn its frightening, im just glad he disappears behind the barriers in the shot. Monaco is too dangerous. Cars fail sometimes, and whatever happens, there seriously needs to be margin for error. Bernie, stop cutting tracks for safety, it Monaco is still here, how can you justify it? The cars are too quick for it now. |
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31 May 2003, 14:28 (Ref:615847)
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I must say, looking at the replay, it didn't look that bad. Must have been a pretty hard hit though.
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31 May 2003, 14:28 (Ref:615848)
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31 May 2003, 14:30 (Ref:615854)
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The teams job is to run both cars. It was quite right to rest Button today, but even if 'The Prof' says JBs okay to race (which I doubt) Whats the point of starting last at Monaco of all places!!!
As I understand it Honda pushed Davidson out of the reserve driver role to put 'their boy' Sato in! Who wasn't at the track! Davidson attended all the races last year, flying back after qualifying, and is now relagated to first day testing only (Monza after this weekend) What are the BAR management playing at?...If this had happened to Renault, McNish would have done practise and been ready to substitute the injured driver. Last edited by high contrast; 31 May 2003 at 14:31. |
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31 May 2003, 14:32 (Ref:615856)
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Looks like Button is okay..which is a relief. Bad luck for him though because he had the legs on Villeneuve throughout the weekend and may have out qualified him again today.
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31 May 2003, 14:36 (Ref:615860)
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To be fair 'Mania' JV tends to run a heavier fuel load than JB, but has lucked-out in the actual races.
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31 May 2003, 14:38 (Ref:615863)
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Oh im with you on that..Jacques has had a lot of bad luck but this weekend Button DID look the better driver..Jacques doesent like Monaco and its clear to see why.
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31 May 2003, 14:38 (Ref:615864)
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Wow... Some real lightweights here! That was _nothing_ as crashes go!
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31 May 2003, 14:39 (Ref:615866)
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yeah and JV would have had a much better run on friday if HHF's engine hadn't spewed oil all over the track just before his run.
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Doesn't it seem sad that drivers like Fisichella, Coultard, Barrichello, and Ralf all have secure seats in F1, despite having had race winning cars for many more seasons than Jacques, yet failing to chalk up as many wins as he (let alone a WDC) that it is Jacques who doesn't have a drive in F1??? Sad indeed.
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31 May 2003, 14:45 (Ref:615872)
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Richards said the telemetry read 30Gs! 'Lee' You're a NASCAR smash and crash fan no doubt!
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31 May 2003, 14:49 (Ref:615875)
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31 May 2003, 15:02 (Ref:615890)
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30G is a lot in a sustained impact, but as with most racing accidents with data, the "spike" of G loading is so small that the actual forces on the body are far less severe than the number indicates.... for example a crash with Tony Kannan a few years back on a super speedway had a G peak reading of over 100G....
I think the main reason he is not feeling 100% is the secondary impact with the retaining wall in the chicane, and this was at a far lower speed than the original 290kph....also this was a side load on the neck, a good test of the HANS I think.... |
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31 May 2003, 15:11 (Ref:615899)
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31 May 2003, 15:42 (Ref:615921)
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Seriously, looking at the replay of that crash, I'm amazed he didn't walk away. 30Gs is peanuts in terms of impacts... Just about every oval crash is at least 50, and that's a walk-away. Although, Gs don't have a lot to do with surviving an accident.. Paul Tracy survived one that was recorded around 170gs (or something crazy like that).
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31 May 2003, 15:48 (Ref:615923)
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Angle of impact is probably more important here. If Button smashed his legs at a bad angle he might have gotten hurt even though it wasn't the most Gs ever recorded. I don't think Wendlinger got near 130 Gs in his crash either, but look how that turned out.
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31 May 2003, 19:36 (Ref:616075)
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Yeah, Coulthard should have just abandoned the race after he stalled on the grid two years ago!  Button'll be stuck at the back with the Minardis for lap after lap if he starts last at Monaco. Just ask DC. Somehow I doubt that Button would be allowed to race so soon after that accident. Allan McNish was cleared after his accident at Suzuka qualifying last year, but had to pull out at the last minute 
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31 May 2003, 19:49 (Ref:616087)
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