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Very interesting, in a dry sort of way, Dixie… none of that contradicts what I was saying, which is that the rules exist in themselves, and the scrutineering exists to uphold those rules - a car has the be over the weight limit at all times, regardless of the technique of measuring the weight, for example.
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I thought it did! In the quote I took from the previous quote, you said:
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Aah, I see what you're saying - what I meant was not that the rules don't mention scrutineering, rather that the spirit of a rule exists independently of the scrutineering devised to enforce it.
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This is a discussion forum and this thread is discussing the potential penalty for BAR. Please read our FAQ. http://tentenths.com/forum/faq.php?f..._rules_content
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Rule 67 states that the car cannot take part unless it passes scrutineering,which it obviously will.But i suppose after that BAR can configure the car any way they like.
Scrutineering is just the same as an M.O.T.certificate.It can only vouch for the cars legality at the time of inspection. |
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The FIA must be pretty sure of its evidence to overrule scrutineering,they must be sure of what they've found.If they are wrong,it doesn't look good for them,because once again it means that they have stuck their nose into something that didn't need it.If they are right,then how incompetent are their own scrutineers.
I mean how many other infringements have gotten passed scrutineering and are still doing so. Of course it will look very bad for BAR if the car is found to be illegal,afterall it did run underweight throughout the whole race. 5.6KGs may not seem a lot,but it is approximately 1% of total weight.Many F1 teams(including BAR) will spend millions to gain 1% in performance. But of course the big loser will be the sport in general. |
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What is most interesting is the fact that the Stewards of the Meeting took 6 hours to discuss/determine what BAR's setup was and how it did or did not affect the outcome of the race.
I just wonder whether the findings of the May 4th hearing will be made public. |
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Remember Malaysia 1999? The FIA changed the result then too...
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Ultimately, the important thing is that they establish the correct ruling? Was the BAR illegal or not?
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Ferrari kept their constructor's points for Malaysia 1999. It think you are thinking of Brazil '95 when Schumacher and Coulthard kept their points, but Benetton and Williams lost their constructor's points for fuel irregularities.
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Thanks for the correction, Adam!
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BAR denies that they are cheats (reported by PlanetF1.com)
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Some how i get the feeling that the FIA have been waiting for this opportunity from the beginning of the season.Only now with a BAR on the podium have they moved to do anything about it.
It seems it's now up to BAR to convince the FIA as to where 5.6KGs of solid material went missing. BAR seem to be basing their defence on the fact that the car was not light at any time during the race.However there was the potential for it to run light and also the potential to vary fuel strategy to a greater degree. Last edited by Marbot; 28 Apr 2005 at 01:15. |
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I'd love to know what the argument that convinced the scrutineers was and what they talked about for 6 hours. I assume BAR had independent data to show they were never underweight not just their own data (otherwise I doubt the scrutineers would have listened to there argument). I also would like to know what the justification was for having that much extra fuel was? Is it possible that the fuel system with the tank empty still has 5.6 litres of fuel in it (in the fuel lines ect.) so they reasoned that this weight should be included in the car weight? If not it seem suspicous to have a car that can run underweight easily but they just didn't do it, sort of like a athlete with a room full of steriods claiming he just had them too look at.
If there car was in breach of the rules BAR can't say 'well I know our car is illegal but the FIA only caught us 'cos they had political reasons too'. |
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