TV rights : Fox pays $120 mil for soccer, whats in it for Supercar? - Page 4

billybanana · 24 Apr 2006, 04:01 (Ref:1593392)

What would be the scenario if 9 picked up the V8's re the GP and Indy where 10 has the rights to F1 and Champ Cars ? They're not exactly best buddies now after 10 jumped ship with the AFL rights.

D.R.T. · 24 Apr 2006, 04:07 (Ref:1593394)

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Originally Posted by Robert Ryan

DRT see subject of the thread

Yes but isnt the original topic about what v8's should get for their tv contract, not arguing the success of Soccer in this country.

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Originally Posted by Robert Ryan

The game seems secondary to the confrontation between different ethnic groups.
John Oneill, has bitten off more than he can chew.

You can see the future can you Robert ?

Simple facts, crowds are up, 120 Million tv deal, A League has reduced the ethnic divisions amongst teams and has made its games more fan friendly. I am a testament to that, I would not attend an NSL game due to violence worries however during the first A League year got out to a game, many others did aswell.

I think John Oneill will disagree, he is chewing away nicely.

Robert Ryan · 24 Apr 2006, 04:38 (Ref:1593401)

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A League has reduced the ethnic divisions amongst teams and has made its games more fan friendly. I am a testament to that, I would not attend an NSL game due to violence worries however during the first A League year got out to a game, many others did aswell

Well , crowds are NOT up. The ethnic violence is still there and John Oneill has a potential nightmare on his hands.
I agree HOW DID we start talking about Soccer?

cavvy · 24 Apr 2006, 05:19 (Ref:1593417)

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Originally Posted by Robert Ryan

Well , crowds are NOT up. The ethnic violence is still there and John Oneill has a potential nightmare on his hands.
I agree HOW DID we start talking about Soccer?

You guys have chosen to argue the merits of the game - the issue is the $120 mil paid for the coverage of the Socceroos, the A League & the potential future in Asia but excluding the World Cup.

I am not a soccer fan, but understand the Fox investment - I am a car racing fan but can not see V8 Supercars attracting similar interest, particularly given the high cost of mounting each telecast.

peckstar · 24 Apr 2006, 05:25 (Ref:1593418)

cavvy, they already have that interest from free to air. the last tv rights were about 15 mill per year

racer69 · 24 Apr 2006, 05:31 (Ref:1593419)

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Originally Posted by billybanana

What would be the scenario if 9 picked up the V8's re the GP and Indy where 10 has the rights to F1 and Champ Cars ? They're not exactly best buddies now after 10 jumped ship with the AFL rights.

Presumebly what happened when Channel 9 had the F1 rights,

TEN (or earlier Channel 7) showed the championship, 9 showed the support races (including V8s) at the AGP.

Regarding Indy, TEN have the rights to the event, including the V8 races, one would assume they'd be shown (maybe VESA have a contract with the organisers over TV coverage of that event)

cavvy · 24 Apr 2006, 07:27 (Ref:1593460)

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Originally Posted by peckstar

cavvy, they already have that interest from free to air. the last tv rights were about 15 mill per year

Got a source for that peckstar ....

cavvy · 24 Apr 2006, 07:31 (Ref:1593462)

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Originally Posted by racer69

Presumebly what happened when Channel 9 had the F1 rights,

TEN (or earlier Channel 7) showed the championship, 9 showed the support races (including V8s) at the AGP.

What year or years did that happen at the AGP - one station only is my recollection.

D.R.T. · 24 Apr 2006, 08:09 (Ref:1593488)

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Well , crowds are NOT up. The ethnic violence is still there

Robert read this with your eyes are open, crowds ARE up. For example look at the GF, 44 000 and sold out in advance. Show me a time when the NSL achieved this ?

I had not heard any match that violence had erupted, but I am happy for you to provide me with a source of this .

Cavvy, 2002 was the last time this occurred didn't it ?

Robert Ryan · 24 Apr 2006, 08:30 (Ref:1593511)

DRT, give it up...the whole sorry mess is a joke. They had 88,000 in the previous NSL structure for game involving Manchester United..not long after Soccer Australia was declared a basket case.

peckstar · 24 Apr 2006, 08:33 (Ref:1593516)

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Originally Posted by cavvy

Got a source for that peckstar ....

i can give you a source. the finacial review

late last year, bit as i dont subscribe ii cant give you more than that

peckstar · 24 Apr 2006, 08:39 (Ref:1593525)

Robert sometimes one has to wonder what you motive is. manchester united has clearly never been in the NSL and in all likihood never will be. now bugger of to some other forum if you are going to persist with this off topic (as you have admitted) stuff.

120 mill over 7 years is fact. now what does it mean for v8's. precious little As the v8s are on free to air and the next package will be worth much more about that but over 5 years and will include more rounds, which is what the fans and ch 10 want

Robert Ryan · 24 Apr 2006, 08:47 (Ref:1593534)

DRT...

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Cavvy, 2002 was the last time this occurred didn't it ?

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VICTORIANS should expect tougher personal searches when they enter
major events, Commonwealth Games Minister Justin Madden said yesterday.

New laws will be introduced after violence at Melbourne soccer matches
this year.

They will apply at a range of events, including the Commonwealth Games.

``We've had pitch invasions, hooliganism and flare throwing,'' Mr
Madden said.

``Maybe not everybody will be searched, but everybody should expect
they might be searched.''

Bob Jane Stadium, where soccer violence has erupted this year, will
be nominated as a priority under the new laws.
From Herald Sun 5/9/2005

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Edition: 1 - State
Section: News, pg. 010

SOCCER clubs White City and Adelaide Raiders could face penalties
over brawls between supporters at their Federation Cup final at Hindmarsh
Stadium on Saturday.

United Clubs of SA chairman Rep Giordano said a meeting tonight would
discuss the ramifications.

``We can't let that continue, it is absolutely ridiculous that in
2005 that this is still going on,'' Mr Giordano said. ``The political
agendas should be left at home. Why do you have to mar the game?''
Adelaide Advertiser 22/8/2005

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Jonathan Pearlman and Michael Cockerill
Violent fans will be banned from attending sporting events for up to 10 years under new laws introduced by the State Government to curb expressions of "ancient ethnic hatreds".

The laws were recommended by an inquiry into soccer violence that yesterday castigated Soccer NSW for failing to administer its own rules for preventing inflammatory behaviour by fans.

The inquiry found Soccer NSW had failed to enforce a ban on foreign national flags, banners and emblems at soccer stadiums and on club logos. It recommended clubs should introduce a ticketing system to keep rowdier fans behind each of the goal areas and position families along the sidelines.

Soccer NSW has indicated it will accept the inquiry's 52 recommendations, including a finding that its slogan "Local, Vocal, Tribal" supported "vocalisation of ethnic differences" and should be replaced. The association was also ordered to stop drawing on the ethnicity of clubs to market events such as the "Macedonian derby.
Sydney Morning Herald, The; 05/05/2005

Robert Ryan · 24 Apr 2006, 08:53 (Ref:1593542)

Peckstar agree ,but DRT keeps on raising it, although he said this was the amount $120 Million was relative to the expenditure on V8's.
You spot on...about this.

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120 mill over 7 years is fact. now what does it mean for v8's. precious little As the v8s are on free to air and the next package will be worth much more about that but over 5 years and will include more rounds, which is what the fans and ch 10 want

D.R.T. · 24 Apr 2006, 09:09 (Ref:1593562)

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Originally Posted by peckstar

120 mill over 7 years is fact. now what does it mean for v8's. precious little As the v8s are on free to air and the next package will be worth much more about that but over 5 years and will include more rounds, which is what the fans and ch 10 want

How do you know this Peckstar, your numbers are alot different to what others have been putting foward, a 5 year deal and more rounds ? Last time I checked the teams didnt want more rounds and with the introdcution of the reverse farce, I dont see that changing regarless of extra tv revenue.

Robert my post to Cavvy was in regard to the AGP coverage when Channel 9 held the rights.

And those marvellous sources you provided didnt involve A League matches and occurred at the latest last September. Soccer has come along way now in April 2006 and thats even before the World Cup.

Robert Ryan · 24 Apr 2006, 09:25 (Ref:1593583)

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Soccer has come along way now in April 2006 and thats even before the World Cup.

DRT..Please..Sept last year? we are now into April 2006, so everything is hunky dory?..pull the other one.

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the reverse farce

What reverse farce.?.the 2nd race worked rather well

peckstar · 24 Apr 2006, 09:34 (Ref:1593594)

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Originally Posted by D.R.T.

How do you know this Peckstar, your numbers are alot different to what others have been putting foward, a 5 year deal and more rounds ? Last time I checked the teams didnt want more rounds and with the introdcution of the reverse farce, I dont see that changing regarless of extra tv revenue.
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We both have sources DRT. the teams have never said we dont want more rounds, what they have said is we cant afford more rounds. more cash from tv, more money from tracks, more money from sponsors because of more races and better tv package. equals more races.

the revrse grid rounds is a trial that in theory will lead to bigger crowds and more tv. ch ten have already steepped up its coverage this year. that will be a base for future coverage. there was around 5 hours of coverage for the nZ round including all 3 races.

if it fails then revesed grid rounds will be dumped. but so far it has been a sucess, but there are still 9 more rounds of it

D.R.T. · 24 Apr 2006, 09:54 (Ref:1593614)

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Originally Posted by Robert Ryan

DRT..Please..Sept last year? we are now into April 2006, so everything is hunky dory?..pull the other one.

Robert, alot has happened in Soccer since September 2005, especially on a National level (including crowds) if you are going to ignore that, whether soccer threatens you or whatever that is up to you.

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Originally Posted by Robert Ryan

What reverse farce.?.the 2nd race worked rather well

When your encouraging mediocrity, I disagree that it works. Roland Dane had the right idea, again.

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Originally Posted by peckstar

We both have sources DRT. the teams have never said we dont want more rounds, what they have said is we cant afford more rounds. more cash from tv, more money from tracks, more money from sponsors because of more races and better tv package. equals more races.

I guess we just wait and see how it all pans out.

peckstar · 24 Apr 2006, 10:01 (Ref:1593621)

we wont be waiting and seeing, just you and many others too i guess, but not we

Robert Ryan · 24 Apr 2006, 10:52 (Ref:1593650)

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When your encouraging mediocrity, I disagree that it works.

DRT, that is your opinion, not mine.

Robert Ryan · 24 Apr 2006, 10:53 (Ref:1593653)

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Robert, alot has happened in Soccer since September 2005, especially on a National level (including crowds) if you are going to ignore that, whether soccer threatens you or whatever that is up to you.

Again that is your opinion, not supported by any hard evidence.

D.R.T. · 24 Apr 2006, 11:30 (Ref:1593678)

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Originally Posted by Robert Ryan

Again that is your opinion, not supported by any hard evidence.

Robert what about a 44 000 sell out (in advance) for the A League Grand Final do you not see as evidence ?

Also, giving the person that runs last, pole position for the next race and sending the person in 1st to the back, all in an attempt to create a "race", I struggle to see how it isnt supporting mediocrity.

cavvy · 24 Apr 2006, 12:45 (Ref:1593735)

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Originally Posted by peckstar

i can give you a source. the finacial review

late last year, bit as i dont subscribe ii cant give you more than that

Thanks for the lead peckstar.

According to a report I have found, Ten get $15 mil of advertising from the V8s, & pay Avesco $5mil per annum plus $1.5 mil in advertising.

The other fact to come out of my searching was the constant claims by Messrs Erskine & Cochrane that the TV rights would be wrapped up before the AFL & by the end of 2005.

Robert Ryan · 24 Apr 2006, 13:10 (Ref:1593756)

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Robert what about a 44 000 sell out (in advance) for the A League Grand Final do you not see as evidence ?

44,000 for a Grand Final of the "World Game"...you get bigger crowds for a lot of average AFL games.

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Also, giving the person that runs last, pole position for the next race and sending the person in 1st to the back, all in an attempt to create a "race", I struggle to see how it isnt supporting mediocrity

DRT..I cannot see any problem with that

D.R.T. · 24 Apr 2006, 13:19 (Ref:1593761)

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Originally Posted by Robert Ryan

44,000 for a Grand Final of the "World Game"...you get bigger crowds for a lot of average AFL games.

WTF ? Robert what has AFL got to do with this line of argument. You said that crowds had not risen, we are comparing NSL to A League, nothing to do with AFL.

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Originally Posted by Robert Ryan

DRT..I cannot see any problem with that

We will have to agree to disagree on that one.

I cant wait for the end of year hoopla from Avesco this year, "the most race winners ever, how competitive is this championship". I cant wait.

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