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I share your opion, and it was what i meant!. If AMR wants the new Lola AMR to be an AMR car alone, then they would have to pay Lola to do so!, but this haven't happened, otherwise all this mess wouldn't have happened!. |
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What if the 3rd car has already been built?
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Probably if it's going to be delivered this week... at least so that Autosport story from Saturday said. And about this same link, I am confused about that "plans to run a third Gulf-liviered car had yet to be set in stone". Maybe it is just language barrier mixed with my optimism, but in the context of the whole story, does "plans" mean Paul Ricard test?
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As I said above, indications are that while the third car received an entry, that does not mean the funding is in place to run it yet.
This may be a problem in the LMS this year as well as at LM, where teams have entered on spec without actually having driver/funding packages sorted. Horag, for instance, has a series entry for the LMS but says they won't run this year. Just because something has been granted an entry, it doesn't mean the team can afford to make it show up... |
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Aston Martin ought to have a little more confidence in their brand, we know it's a Lola chassis with AMR tweaks, an Aston Martin engine, and run by the factory team. A Lola Aston Martin has just as much credibility as a TWR Jaguar or Mclaren Mercedes, the only difference is the chassis isn't used exclusively by them.
If only Jaguar did the same with Zytek, Oreca etc. |
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Neither of them come out of this episode well - I can understand both their viewpoints, the car is no longer really a Lola product given the changes but is also not sufficiently an AMR product to be renamed. Just kiss and make up boys!!
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Not to be an *******, but why isn't it a Lola product anymore?
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Because only the tub and part of the front suspension are (apparently) designed and built by Lola - rear suspension, bodywork etc is AMR. As such the chassis is a synergy of lola and AM.
To be called a full AM product it would need to have the co-operation of Lola - which looks like it is not forthcoming lol |
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Who says Lola is telling the truth? I suspect it is somewhere in the middle....hence why i stated 'apparently'
Well the rear suspension last year was very definately not Lola by all accounts - that was stated by GHC in an interview last year and never denied by Lola. It all depends upon what is delivered by Lola (from their point of view) the car may well be delivered whole at which point Prodrive throw away parts of it they do not need.... Certainly the bodywork is NOT built by Lola, they have no involvment in that whatsoever. Combined with the rear suspension that is a hefty chunk of non-lola parts (if true). |
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the Charouz Aston Lola was featured last year in Racecar Engineering and even back then AMR claimed a big chunk of the effort was on their side,everything behind the rear bulkhead save the rear uprights really.It was even stated AMR was doing their own aero development already.So what´s the fuzz about a car even more AMR than last years?
I guess lola must have good reason to make those statements now. |
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Obviously it is possible to come to an agreement like Acura and Courage did - we do not know the details but suspect money changed hands, it appears AM are not willing to pay so i agree that it should not be called an AM..... BUT we do not know the full story - best not to go blaming either side imo as only a handful of people actually know the full details and a press release is not necesarily to be fully believed much like DR may not be fully aware of the details involved..... |
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I don't know what is going on, but it all just ****es me off. As if suceeding in doing what I've dreamed of for many years wasn't hard enough, they find a way to shoot themselves in the foot before they've even started.
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The third Lola will be delivered to be built up no earlier than March 12, and likely exactly on that date.
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If they're are small silver rectangular badges affixed to the bodywork everywhere, then you can be sure it's not an Aston. Chances are about 75% of the car's parts will have a Lola part number.
As far as Charouz's entry last year, what was so different other than the gearbox assembly (that includes rear suspension)? |
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Let's hope Aston Martin and Prodrive can put as much development and design into this car,because if there's one thing Lola has shown through it's history,it's the fact that they really need the help and knowledge from a factoryteam or a specialist outfit like prodrive to produce a winning sportscar...
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Have you a source for the 75% statement Adam? The car is a Lola Aston Martin - Lola because of the homologated tub, front floor front suspension and uprights, Aston Martin for the engine, rear suspension, dampers, gearbox, body and aero. |
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I think that calling an Xtrac gearbox and Koni dampers, wheels etc, Aston Martin, a bit of a stretch. What we seem to be talking about, or AM is, is the interlectual property?
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None of this gets away from the fact that the car is a Lola Aston Martin |
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To be completely fair to Aston Martin, if we use the same principles I suppose one could say that the R10 was actually a Dallara. Then again the R10 wasn't based off a Dallara design, however the Aston Martin is based off an existing Lola design. |
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