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Recently I watched the 1993 British Grand Prix and I saw Ayrton Senna fighting it out Alain Prost and Michael Schumacher, despite - or partly due to (?) - the driver aids that enable drivers to get more out of their cars.
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Motorsport's beginnings were as a proving ground of the automobile. Of the technology. Naturally those piloting these machines became those daring young men. After a while it progressed to the point where having a particular driver could prove to be just as advantageous as the newest mechanical trick. Especially as formula of specific technical regulations came about that would place mechanical restrictions. This really allowed the talent, styles and personalities of the drivers to shine through and proper hero worship is the result. To the point that many fans don't care too much about the cars as long as they are loud. Me, I can easily see both sides and would say that is also imperative that the sport remembers it's complete heritage. The history is the answer.
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I think one of the proposed rules changes is to get rid of the software start(which finds the bite point of the clutch) and go back to using a clutch for the starts. That does sound like a good idea - as it puts down more on the driver's talent - and I think it saves money.
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It looks like the drivers like the return to fuel stops.
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Even with road relevant driver aids a great driver makes the difference.
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Not that I'm belittling Senna's legacy in any way (I am and was a massive fan) however wasn't his car at Donington fitted with a full wet setup, whereas the other cars were either on a compromise or a dry setup? I did hear that his car didn't have active suspension but other cars did?
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not off topic at all given the recent anniversary of that tragic weekend just passed and not just for Senna but for Ratzenberger as well and almost for Barri. seems cynical to say but one death may have been looked over but 2, almost 3, necessitated change.
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The point I wanted to make is that with relevant technologies that are or do have an overlap with driver aids, drivers could still make a difference. Ayrton Senna did have an actively suspended car with traction control, anti-lock braking system and automatic gearbox, but so did Alain Prost and Damon Hill.
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I noticed that Christian Horner added his voice to those who don't wish to see refuelling brought back,doesn't he have Bernie's ear?If it was a bad idea in the past its hard to see how it will be a better idea if all the previous objections apply and in addition you have a huge battery pack with the potential for a healthy spark located beneath the fuel tank. The best solution to the present formula may well be to do nothing as with stable rules the cars tend to gravitate to a more equal level of performance.It might not hurt to have a "clarification" about the function of brake ducts as the present crop are sprouting all sorts of excrescences that have nothing to do with cooling and a lot to do with an extra 5Kg of downforce.Its costing a lot of money to achieve this small difference. For the future it might be a good idea to consider Martin Brundle's suggestion of reducing the step under the car to create more consistent downforce.It might also be good to allow the return of active suspension since computer power is so much cheaper now than it was in the early nineties and a truckload of springs,dampers and inerters costs money.With a basic setup in the system and an analytical algorithm looking for the fastest settings a lot of rig work and simulation could be replaced by a handful of laps.I have suggested elsewhere that issuing a Raspberry Pi as a control module and allowing freedom in its use could be the way forward. |
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The next Senna has arrived, his name is Max Verstappen
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Not sure, after this week-end I think he's just the next Jos Verstappen...
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I suppose this comes under Rules Future Rule Changes. Bernie wants to get rid of the F1 Strategy Group and have all future decisions made by the FIA and FOM.
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What would be the mechanics of putting this into place? I assume how this all works is bound up in the Concorde agreement? Wikipedia tells me that the current agreement runs through 2020? So the implication is that when the next agreement is presented to the teams, it would have something like this FIA + FOM process? I assume they could all agree to make this change earlier, but again... could they all agree to implement this prior to 2020? Richard |
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