US F1, Campos Grand Prix and Manor F1 - The silence is deafening - Page 5

Marbot · 1 Sep 2009, 20:02 (Ref:2532720)

Surely the revised minimum weight limit will now negate the additional fuel penalty?

duke_toaster · 2 Sep 2009, 08:29 (Ref:2532951)

No, because the minimum weight excludes fuel. Yes, it's relative to 620 rather than 605kg but it's still on top of that.

davyboy · 2 Sep 2009, 08:53 (Ref:2532961)

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Originally Posted by Kebab

There's no way the FIA or anyone else will allow 6 cars or more lapping 3 secs off the pace ... Cosworth will be there or thereabouts by the time the season starts

Absolutely right, even if it means restricting the others, the Cosworth motor will be equalized.

**ghinzani** · 2 Sep 2009, 10:26 (Ref:2533007)

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Originally Posted by davyboy

Absolutely right, even if it means restricting the others, the Cosworth motor will be equalized.

Davy I like your style, do you think its too late to nominate you to replace Max? Or will that split the Ari vote too much?

BootsOntheSide · 2 Sep 2009, 11:02 (Ref:2533027)

It's only in the last few years that we've got used to all the cars being much closer together than 3 seconds. The only reason it could be perceived as a problem is taht these cars are using an FIA-approved low-cost entry solution, when it's alleged that potentially-more-competitive options were excluded. Let Cosworth work in power and fuel efficiency until the start of next year, and consider equalising if the engine is really down on power. As these are new teams with (mostly) inexperienced people and probably at least one rookie driver each, they would probably be at the back even with all other things equal anyway.

duke_toaster · 2 Sep 2009, 11:18 (Ref:2533035)

I think Cosworth will be beavering away at that, if they need any rule breaks what could realistically be given without compounding the issue (as removing the rev limit would)?

Marbot · 2 Sep 2009, 17:16 (Ref:2533248)

Cosworth engine is expected to be fully competetive.

http://www.itv-f1.com/news_article.aspx?id=46413

duke_toaster · 2 Sep 2009, 17:39 (Ref:2533265)

Press releases can say anything really - it could be powerful on paper. But engines are tested on dynos, not paper and cars race on tarmac, not lined A4. We'll have to wait and see, but I wouldn't hold my hopes up due to their lack of data (only ran for one season and that was without a rev limit so 22k revs plus) ... if it is 3 to 4 seconds/lap of the pace we'll have a second class of car basically, fading in to obscurity unless they get new engines or a Colin Chapman/Jim Clark Cup thing.

strider · 9 Sep 2009, 16:03 (Ref:2537131)

BMW and Force India have now rejoined FOTA. US F1 is said to have applied, so that just leaves Campos and Manor, plus the 13th team taking BMW's place.

US F1 seem to getting on with things, but the silence from Campos and Manor is still deafening.

jab · 9 Sep 2009, 16:20 (Ref:2537140)

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Originally Posted by strider

US F1 seem to getting on with things, but the silence from Campos and Manor is still deafening.

Audetto from Campos spoke a few weeks ago, and some guy from Virgin is supposed to be CEO and team principal at Manor

Marbot · 9 Sep 2009, 16:24 (Ref:2537144)

Well that is good news.One big happy family....

Sodemo · 9 Sep 2009, 18:20 (Ref:2537216)

I just hope we get a full grid next year.

ECW Dan Selby · 10 Sep 2009, 10:42 (Ref:2537657)

Me too... I can't help but feel like we'll be left with 24/22..

Selby

steve nielsen · 10 Sep 2009, 20:40 (Ref:2538049)

You would think a serious F1 team effort for next year would have a car testing by now(as they afren't entered in this years championship they can test). It could all end very soon for them now(remember Lola-Mastercard??)

ECW Dan Selby · 10 Sep 2009, 21:46 (Ref:2538080)

Indeed, with the irony being Lola would have perhaps been better prepared by the looks of things.

Selby

duke_toaster · 11 Sep 2009, 15:42 (Ref:2538574)

Surely all the teams would be slow? It might produce a slow class, but that wouldn't be as bad as two rolling chicanes.

Also bear in mind that the Mastercard Lola T97/30 was based on IndyCar technology and never saw the inside of a wind tunnel. I'd imagine all three cars will be from a largely clean slate and will see the inside of either a wind tunnel or pretty funky CFD software (aren't Manor using CFD completely and not using a wind tunnel?).

jab · 11 Sep 2009, 15:54 (Ref:2538582)

US F1 are rumoured to be behind schedule, but Max has sent a couple of people over there to check and it's not as bad as feared

But honestly, nothing against Americans but if there's one team out of the 3 that I wouldn't mind failing, it's US F1

duke_toaster · 11 Sep 2009, 15:56 (Ref:2538586)

I don't like the name and the overt quasi-national team thing, but if they want to run a team from the US all power to them. It's supposed to be a world championship after all, and the US needs to be welcomed back as a full partner in the world of grand prix motor racing.

jab · 11 Sep 2009, 16:00 (Ref:2538588)

I don't think people really have an objection to an American team because of the country. But there's a difference between a proper American team like Penske, Ganassi, AGR (or whatever they're going to be called now) and the like, and Peter Windsor's love child. If there must be an American team, it must be one that can do the job properly

I hope they make it but only for the sake of having as many cars on the grid as possible

duke_toaster · 11 Sep 2009, 16:13 (Ref:2538600)

I wouldn't be surprised if at some point one of those groups buy USF1, to be honest. Penske F1 would sound somewhat fitting ...

kartracer41 · 11 Sep 2009, 16:20 (Ref:2538607)

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Originally Posted by jab

I don't think people really have an objection to an American team because of the country. But there's a difference between a proper American team like Penske, Ganassi, AGR (or whatever they're going to be called now) and the like, and Peter Windsor's love child. If there must be an American team, it must be one that can do the job properly

I hope they make it but only for the sake of having as many cars on the grid as possible

Look how many proper names "Force India" had before it got it's silly name. Who is having the success now?

Just curious, is there something I don't know about Windsor that makes him not worthy?

jab · 11 Sep 2009, 17:39 (Ref:2538672)

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Originally Posted by kartracer41

Look how many proper names "Force India" had before it got it's silly name. Who is having the success now?

It's got nothing to do with the name. It's the whole concept

FI is a national team that isn't overbearingly nationalistic - that is demonstrated by the fact that they've been around nearly 2 years and only now have they offered a go in their simulator to an Indian driver, let alone a proper test drive

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Just curious, is there something I don't know about Windsor that makes him not worthy?

1) He's not American and he's running an American national team

2) He's a hot air merchant

This isn't the first time he's done something like this. He tried to buy Brabham in the 80s with Greg Norman, and was heavily involved with the proposed Ikuzawa team in the 90s

ptclaus98 · 11 Sep 2009, 21:26 (Ref:2538783)

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Originally Posted by jab

US F1 are rumoured to be behind schedule, but Max has sent a couple of people over there to check and it's not as bad as feared

But honestly, nothing against Americans but if there's one team out of the 3 that I wouldn't mind failing, it's US F1

USF1 should be a driver development program, like the Red Bull driver program.

ptclaus98 · 11 Sep 2009, 21:28 (Ref:2538785)

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Originally Posted by kartracer41

Look how many proper names "Force India" had before it got it's silly name. Who is having the success now?

Just curious, is there something I don't know about Windsor that makes him not worthy?

Please tell me you're KartChampion1 over at the Speed forums. If so I can finally have a proper go and you can see how ridiculous your argument is.

If not, carry on.

duke_toaster · 11 Sep 2009, 21:30 (Ref:2538786)

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Originally Posted by ptclaus98

USF1 should be a driver development program, like the Red Bull driver program.

Be a driver development programme (where would they go from F1?) or have one ... I'd imagine the new teams will have development programmes in the fullness of time.

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