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Not a good evening for me in terms of picks, only got Huff's second place finish in race one right
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I agree with people's comments. Boring races even with the downpour for race 1. Does seem to have lost some of its fire power.
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Coronel was hit by a Chevy.
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7 Mar 2010, 20:57 (Ref:2646956) | #106 | ||
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yeah boring again, might wanna stick to btcc(although could proove the same!)
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I think he was hit by Huff. Assume that's the reason why he could not keep up with Menu and Muller.
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Not the most exciting beginning to a season, but then that track doesn't lend itself to overtaking.
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Meanwhile, was I the only one reacting to Barth's "pass" of Norbert? Hamilton was penalized in F1 not too long ago for exactly that type of move, ie cut 1 corner setting him up for an easy overtake in the next corner. Guess the FIA memo of what constitutes an unfair advantage by cutting a corner now days never reached the WTCC stewards. |
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I just wanted to sleep before I comment on this. Sometimes it is better to put some time between the comment and what I just witnessed.
So, Seat pulled the works plug ? I don't think so. At least Sunred is a semi works team. Which adapted to factory team tactics quite fast. So Gene leads but pulls aside and waves through Tarquini as soon as he can. I really don't know how often I got bitter about the same move last season. This particular move gives the idea of how this season is going to be. No matter which Seat leads if it is Tarquini behind he will get waved through. If we don't see a fight between team mates at this early stage we won't see it throughout the season. Personally, I find it sick to favour a driver that early and as a fan of this series such dirty tactics make me pretty disappointed towards the series. I am disappointed of BMW too although I didn't really awaited much more of them with their two man factory team. The only highlight to me was Franz Engstler in the independents. The guy has still that much metal in his shoulder from last seasons Macau accident, that he'd need an own mechanic just for that but finishes quite high up despite that injury. I am impressed by the Chevrolets team performance during qualifying and race 1 though. But I am not sure if the race 1 performance was more due to the wet circuit after seeing how easy seat was able to establish and hold the lead in race 2. And yes I also feel that Barth should have been penalised for his move against Michelisz. The question however, like in in the mentioned Hamilton incident, is how you want to measure the advantage the clipping brings. After all, I saw two rather boring races. Both could have taken place in last season easily too. As of yet nothing other than some of the actors have changed. So, now I wait for the announcement regarding the Puebla replacement and hope that the next round really shows the change |
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As for team tactics, Gene might be doing things out of old habit. Not sure ALL the TDI drivers will be that quick to move to the side. But I guess time will tell. Anyway, was expecting quite a bit more from Michelisz, but got an explanation just now after taking a peak at his English website. His diffuser apparently got damaged in the off in Q2, so he ran all of race 1 completely without a diffuser and race 2 he had engine troubles in the mid part of the race. Was also fun to hear Tommo and Haven discussing how BMW needs to get the sequential gearbox into their cars, to be on par with the rest gearbox wise and increase their chances to overtake. I remember me complaining about that for half the last season as well, and now with the stronger Chevies it's clear the problem is the BMWs inability to pass more than that the TDIs where "impassable". Wonder if we will see BMW switching gearbox during the season or not. |
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You would think they would change to a sequential 6 speed box as soon as possible. I can't understand why they've stuck with the H-pattern for so long. Surely if they had fitted it, then moaned enough to the FIA, then they would have got a weight reduction anyway!
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If they do fit the 6 speed seq and take the 30kg penalty, that will mean they are 55kg heavier as a base weight than the Chevy's, and 45kg heavier than the SEAT's. To add to that, I don't think the BMW lump is as powerful as the Chevy, and no where near the TDI of the SEAT. So they will be loads heavier, with a weaker engine.
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Now they just continue cutting themselves at the knees, by having a severe disadvantage, not in overal laptimes, but in ability to actually pass others. It worked fine in the old days, when the BMW was clearly the quicker car overall, but now when other cars are more equal, or even better in some respects, they suffer badly from the inferior gearbox. Quote:
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My point is that their application to the FIA must be to run the gearbox without or with less the 30kg penalty. Otherwise why do they need apply? Its already in the rules that they can run that gearbox anytime they want as long as they take the 30kg penalty. So if they are making an application it must be to change the gearbox weight rule. And the FIA have already said they wont change the weight rules or performance balance during the season so its a no-no for BMW. |
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If seq gearbox should give less than 30kg penalty, ALL other cars will ALSO drop in weight, because ALL other cars ALSO run seq. Thus asking for lower weight penalty for semiautomatic gearboxes is pretty daft, it changes nothing 1 car from the next. You not understanding this is not me being condescending towards you.
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Of course it would change things. Obviously BMW would only be asking for the RWD sequential gearbox weight to be less, not the FWD sequential gearbox weight!
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As for what other things BMW could potentially be asking for is, since there currently is no seq BMW on the grid, that if they change they will not have to start at max weight ballast when introducing a "new model" for the first 2 race weekends (as example take eg Lada Priora that was allowed to start from race 1 with -20kg instead of +40kg from normal car weight weight). |
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They would not be asking for a change in the base weight, as it would reduce the weight for the car with the normal H pattern box as well and there is no call for that. Like I said before, they would only be asking for a change in the seq gearbox penalty weight. Quote:
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