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5 Sep 2007, 18:45 (Ref:2004552) | #101 | ||
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Just a Small note of correction: The Porsche GT2, which they refer to as a possible contender in GT1, has a 3.6L engine and not a 3.8L
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Seems KEONIGSEGG has money problem :-(
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http://lastturnclub.com/index.php?op...d=206&Itemid=1 Not suggesting that the ACO "sit" The cars that are running in "LM" GT classes are all basically homologated until 2011-2014 so why the rush to trash them? The ACO have a structure/class/rule change tentatively set for 2010 and with rules and clarifications coming soon to lead down that path. To jump wholesalely on the Ratel wagon is a little premature IMO. I think that the ACO need to find out what its participants ( mfg & teams) thoughts on the matter are before they just move carte blanche with SRO/FIA. There is rumored mfg interest in GT-1 and the ACO taking over the JLMC and maybe a larger Japanese presence possible in all series(?), there may very well may need to be change but the current Ratel propsals do not IMO look to be the best for "LM" series GT's or "LM" as a whole. They do not compete in the same class structure format of racing and the needs of "LM" racing are slightly different than that of just a 2 class GT format. L.P. Last edited by HORNDAWG; 6 Sep 2007 at 18:58. Reason: thread change |
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I don't think Tom was suggesting jumping on the Ratel wagon wholesale.
I think he's just pointing out that, if ACO keeps the current rules (which support exactly three new-car programs - Corvette, Porsche and Ferrari, when these cars are eligible across all series) then there will be a reduced ability for any new manufacturers to justify joining up. I think his idea is that ACO craft their own rules - merit and engineering based, rather than trackside politics based - that will provide some interchangeability with FIA-GT. |
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The 997 GT3 which is currently in GT2 class has a 3.8 L engine. The new 997GT2 has a 3.6 L Turbo engine and that is the one that I think the FIA are referring to for GT1 |
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...and for those interested, here's the link:http://www.porsche.com/usa/
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Some refer to the topspeed difference between LMP1 and the GT2.
But hasn't that been always a problem? I think that Jacky Icks wasn't happy in 1969 to see two tiny red lights heading towards him on the Mulsanne Straight wich appeared to be a Fiat Abarth! |
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If the ACO goes to moving GT2 to GT3 spec, what would be the necessary changes to run a GT3 Cup car in the ALMS/LM? Could be good for US based teams who could afford to run in both GA and ALMS if only minor mods where needed, with the exceptions of course of some series sponsor decal deals.
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After reading Ratel's pdf about his ideas of a new world's championship with the FIA's blessing, the idea might be a good idea as it is true there are no new GT1's planned by anybody and any GT2's built will run until 2010 in regional championships.
So without any crazy changes, the ALMS, ACO, FIA and possibly the JGTC/JLMS will all have GT1, GT2 production classes and GT3 for non-professional drivers. FIA GT will be the world's championship like it was in the late 90's with at least 1 stop in North America, which ideally should be an off weekend for the ALMS GT1/GT2 teams to allow them to compete, increasing grid size to around 45-50 cars I would think... In turn the ALMS should come over to Europe to run a race before Le Mans test days with either the LMS or FIA GT or both, if the cost cutting does allow more trans-Atlantic traveling. Now if the ACO doesn't do anything stupid and go their own direction at least with the production classes we'll have it all. A World's Championship, 24's of Le Mans and large grids in all 3 series! |
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Why then is a World championship such a priority? - Particularly a world championship with 90 minute races? What abouit the logistical costs of transporting cars, team equipment and team membes around the world - Where is the list of teams, drivers, manufacturers who are asking for this format? How many of the current teams do you think would retain their drivers for this format? There's a massive difference between a change in the technical regs on the basis of a perceived downturn in GT1 and a wholesale range of changes designed to support a World championship. And why the "If the ACO doesn't do anything stupid and go their own direction" comment? the ACO had alredy given their outline opinion on a way forward, there seems to have been no major consultation with them prior to this proposal, their grids in Europe are full and manufacturer interest, with massive help from the efforts of the ALMS, is looking set to boom again based on the current and proposed future ACO regs - Now who's doing something stupid? |
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The last statement of ACO regarding future plans was during press conference at Le Mans. Summary:
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Graham -
Why not a world championship? We had one, everybody liked it... ACO has often times thumb their nose at what "we" want as fans to what "they" want because they take a position similar to Tony George and both want to take a NASCAR approach which is to own the key race and run the series. Yet OEM's want a presents in America this is the largest market for their product, so you can't go complete Carte Blanche or at least not without consulting IMSA/PSCR/IMSA first. I agree with Ratel, if there no GT1 projects on the horizon and want to increase grids you can't stand by and let shhh fall where it may. He has to be proactive! |
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LMS and ALMS are already a World Championship of sorts, you can pick and choose the best sportscar races in the world.
FIA GT is in greater competition with Euro GT/DTM/WTCC/Dutch Supercars, a World Championship is the last thing they need. OEM's willing to run in a GT World Championship can be counted on hand, make that one finger, Corvette, even that's doubtful. The rest are customers on tight budget's. Last edited by JAG; 19 Sep 2007 at 20:38. |
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The ACO has the LM24, LMS, JPLMS and ALMS. and I agree with Graham. So let me see, who or which Orgaization not quite GETTING IT?? |
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The ACo always didnt go its own direction ..... Group C wasnt an ACO idea nor was the 3.5 liter era , look what happened then . Im glad the ACO do their own thing and not let the Fia get too involved .
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The entrants? Apparently not.. The factories... umm Hasn't the FIA specifically tried to keep them out? So, who is this for? Quote:
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