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27 Aug 2023, 18:40 (Ref:4174238) | #101 | ||
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27 Aug 2023, 18:44 (Ref:4174239) | #102 | ||
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27 Aug 2023, 18:51 (Ref:4174241) | #103 | ||
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But on the other hand, he only needs, what, a lead of about 24 more points by the end of Silverstone to seal it a meeting early? Which, if he gets pole again and wins the first two races, is not all that unlikely! I guess you’re always going to have years that are close and others that are not, but it does feel like we’re missing a few extras in the hunt for wins. Obviously there was no Cammish today, Turkington has been a bit underwhelming, Cook hasn’t had the car underneath him, Butcher couldn’t pass a Hard Cupra in that last race. Even Collard is 7th in the championship! (in fairness, I think he drove much better today. Maybe I forgot something!) Even Thompson wasn’t far off but was forced to drop out. |
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27 Aug 2023, 18:53 (Ref:4174243) | #104 | |
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Yeah really don’t think that was intentional at all, but surprised he didn’t pull into the pits, looked a lot of damage from the outside! Perhaps he’ll come on here and give us the rundown!
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You could also argue that Hill should have been called in with all the damage on his car, with bits and pieces falling off on the live track. And I personally don't believe that Ingram should have been penalised for not giving more room to Hill on the last lap of Race 1; Hill should have expected Ingram to need all that normal racing line especially as the track was still really wet at that point, and it would have been extremely likely that Ingram would have had a huge moment if he tried to turn on any more steering lock. The ruling of the Race director, which was then endorsed by the Stewards, could lead to some very risky overtake movements on the outside placing all the responsibility to the leading car driver. It was a bad decision, and I hope that Ingram appeals to the MSA to have it overturned; not just for the points, but for the sake of racing in the future. |
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27 Aug 2023, 19:07 (Ref:4174246) | #106 | ||
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27 Aug 2023, 19:30 (Ref:4174251) | #107 | |
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and somehow despite the Ash Sutton steamroller BMW have a real chance at constructors
BMW 658 Ford 648 while at teams NAPA pretty much done it NAPA Racing 591 Team BMW 450 BRISTOL STREET MOTORS with EXCELR8 447 |
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27 Aug 2023, 19:35 (Ref:4174252) | #108 | |||
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It really underlines how well Sutton has driven, and he deserves the plaudits. |
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27 Aug 2023, 19:38 (Ref:4174254) | #109 | ||
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It certainly hasn't been enforced consistently but trying to appeal based on incorrect decisions in the past is unlikely to work IMO. |
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27 Aug 2023, 19:56 (Ref:4174258) | #110 | |
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Lloyd was driveshaft failure
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27 Aug 2023, 20:31 (Ref:4174270) | #111 | ||
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27 Aug 2023, 21:09 (Ref:4174281) | #112 | ||
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Looking at the points it would seem Turkington and Hill are the WSR nominated drivers?
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27 Aug 2023, 21:40 (Ref:4174290) | #113 | ||
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27 Aug 2023, 21:50 (Ref:4174293) | #114 | ||
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So Ingram was guilty of Having changed an engine above the number permitted within 1.16.2 The team got point deducted However in these cases https://www.barc.net/wp-content/uplo...ine-Change.pdf https://www.barc.net/wp-content/uplo...y-Thompson.pdf They contravened the same regulations but got a driver points deduction but no mention of the teams getting a points deduction https://www.barc.net/wp-content/uplo...ine-Change.pdf https://www.barc.net/wp-content/uplo...ine-Change.pdf They contravened the same regulations but both the teams and the drivers got a points deduction in some incident on the driver gets points deduction in some both the team and driver loose points while in others only the team Why is there a difference |
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27 Aug 2023, 21:51 (Ref:4174295) | #115 | ||
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So in the case of Excelr8/Hyundai, they start the season with 2 engines for each driver, and 8 engines in total for the team. If you follow the timeline (and penalties) then the first action was 21 May 23 (Halstead). This would have been the third engine for Halstead (5pts), but still within the 8 engine allocation for the team. The next action was 12 Aug 23 (Chilton). This would have been the third engine for Chilton (5pts), and also the 9th engine used by the team (10pts). Then you reach the last action on 26 Aug 23 (Ingram). This will have been the second engine for Ingram (no penalty) but also the 10th engine for the team (20pts). Engines used:
Which means that if Excelr8 make another engine change this season, it is certain that the driver involved will be penalised, and the team will be deducted 30pts. |
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28 Aug 2023, 09:25 (Ref:4174330) | #117 | ||
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Well this weekend was better than i expected but still seems to be lacking the old BTCC excitement and the sutton domination again makes the leveling up supposed to stop that happening look a massive waste of time. i am expecting the last brands hatch meet to be a little pointless by then with all the campionships well and truely decided before it starts
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28 Aug 2023, 09:37 (Ref:4174334) | #118 | |
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Could make Brands very good as no-one will be bothered with taking the "safe" route and racking up points. They will want wins.
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28 Aug 2023, 09:52 (Ref:4174342) | #119 | |
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Cannit believe no-one has metioned those tyres on the chicance.
Disgraceful way of trying to control track limits, (somehting which is mintiored far too closely in my opinion). A MIni landed on its roof, a Porsche suffered ended up in the barrier and Jake Hill's car took substantial damage for hitting the tyres when they were virtually unsighted because of cars in front of them. ARe the organisers waiting until someone gets badly injured in an accident casued by them, before admitting they are a horrendously bad idea? |
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28 Aug 2023, 10:02 (Ref:4174345) | #120 | ||
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Has caused the same problems and aggrievances over so many years now but doesn’t look like it’s set to change. |
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28 Aug 2023, 10:12 (Ref:4174348) | #121 | ||
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Concerning the tyre stacks at the chicane, mainly the problem lies with the drivers rather than any other reason; after all, they all know that they are there.As long as drivers are prepared to take so many risks, there will always be a problem.
The stacks are there because most drivers will take diabolic liberties with track limits. Take the case of Hill. The stacks had already been hit by another driver and moved further back from the curbs and therefore the track, so Hill took the risk of going further over the curbing, possibly because he was unsighted but also, as mentioned by Harvey at the time, Hill chooses to have his seat so low in the car that he can barely see over the bonnet. That's not the fault of the tyre stack. From memory about the Mini, again that was the result of various drivers attempting manoeuvrers that are more than likely going to result in an incident. In that case, that Mini's crash was the cause by other drivers taking, in my opinion, unnecessary risks and I was surprised that those in charge didn't take any action. I believe that action was taken in the case of the Porsche. |
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28 Aug 2023, 10:24 (Ref:4174351) | #122 | ||
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Doesn;t mwan tyre racks are a good silution. They are downright dangerous, ugly and unnecessary I feel WE re probably never going to agree on the issue of track limits. But even if for arguments's sake, we do gre ethat track limits should be monitored to the nth degree, then these tyre blocks are downright dangerous, and should never be used on a racetrack again. It is not always drivers taking liberties with the track limits that hit them anyway; often they get pushed into them by a rival car or have nowhere else to go in close, bunched racing |
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28 Aug 2023, 10:57 (Ref:4174362) | #123 | ||
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Possibly the reason that we disagree about the stacks is because I raced Special Saloons in the 60s, a time where we had natural scenery as well as other man created objects to negotiate. For example, many tracks had sections that were almost tree lined - an example of this was at Oulton between the exit of the pits and Old Hall corner. You went off there at your peril.
At the chicane at Crystal Palace, plus other corners there, there were earth banks with walls of wooden railway sleepers on the face.If you hit them, they didn't move. We, in the main, managed to negotiate all these things and you have to take into account that our cars were far more unstable that today's cars. Unlike current BTCC cars which almost drive as though on rails, our cars were all on treaded tyres that had nowhere near the grip of current ones, and our cars spent almost as much time sliding around as they went in a straight line. Yet we managed it on the whole. The tyre stacks may not be the perfect solution, but they are better and far more forgiving than if armco was used. And yes track limits are a major problem, because if you give current drivers an inch, they will take a mile. |
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28 Aug 2023, 11:16 (Ref:4174366) | #124 | ||
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I thought the idea of tyre stacks on corner apexes went out of the window in the 90s. Ridiculous things.
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28 Aug 2023, 11:54 (Ref:4174367) | #125 | |
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I don't think anyone particular like the tyre stacks but I've yet to hear a convincing argument for an alternative. High kerbs can be just as dangerous in getting a car airborne. Don't forget that most circuits are also used by bikes and generally the riders prefer to keep their knees and elbows attached.
Maybe you just remove the kerbs and gravel traps and ignore track limits completely. If you've ever watched NASCAR on a road course you'll know what an utter farce that becomes. |
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