DTM 2021

[Speed-King]

Originally Posted by canaglia

RB junior program is basically a no sense these days... RB recently raised two good drivers, brought them to f1 just to get them killed by max verstappen and then demoted. Would be really strange if RB won't use 2 NSX for DTM

Motorsport-Total suggests that they'll be in Ferraris.

[Bcarr6]

Originally Posted by Speed-King

Motorsport-Total suggests that they'll be in Ferraris.

Be nice to see if true, hoping for a diverse grid

[Matt K]

I'm not concerned about the grid's diversity. The big question is how many entries DTM may attract. If it's at least 20 cars then I'm sure there will be quite a few different brands and teams. Seeing Abt, Rosberg already confirmed with talks about Rast, Muller, van der Linde and now having Red Bull committed (in whatever form) I hope for a good and interesting field of teams and drivers.

[canaglia]

Originally Posted by steve nielsen

Those careers wich they maybe would not even have without beeing supported by Red Bull for many years

it's more about ethics to me, RB program for many drivers was some kind of ultra darwinism applied in motorsport... get the result, no second chance, get out and leave the place for the next one to likely fire as well

[canaglia]

Originally Posted by Speed-King

Motorsport-Total suggests that they'll be in Ferraris.

It's not related to this but adrian newey used to drive a lot of racing ferrari's in his amateur racing experiences

[steve nielsen]

Originally Posted by canaglia

it's more about ethics to me, RB program for many drivers was some kind of ultra darwinism applied in motorsport... get the result, no second chance, get out and leave the place for the next one to likely fire as well

Yet they brought more drivers to F1 than any other team

and they often give drivers second chances, in F1(Gasly,Kvyat), or in other motorsports like they do with Albon here

And at a top level of any sport it's asked you perform, or else you're out , would Mercedes have stuck with Bottas if he had finished 7th in the WC with just 2 podiums? I don't think so

[S griffin]

Nice to know Albon will continue racing in another series. Was going to say he's taking after his father going into Touring Cars, but then remembered that DTM is switching to GT cars this year

[canaglia]

Originally Posted by steve nielsen

Yet they brought more drivers to F1 than any other team

and they often give drivers second chances, in F1(Gasly,Kvyat), or in other motorsports like they do with Albon here

And at a top level of any sport it's asked you perform, or else you're out , would Mercedes have stuck with Bottas if he had finished 7th in the WC with just 2 podiums? I don't think so

Gasly didn't get a second chance, he was demoted to tororosso after 2019 summer break and it's unlikely he will get back to RB in the future despite a great 2020 season. This dtm program is the same limbo where Albon will stay for a while since he couldn't come back in tororosso/AT because of Tsunoda backed by honda. And then you're comparing two extremely different situations... after 2016, mercedes is definitely happy to have a Barrichello-like driver who will never be a serious threat for Hamilton

[FIRE]

How many reached F1 by the junior programmes of the other teams?
Wehrlein was dumped very quick by Mercedes. Same for Vandoorne at McLaren.

[steve nielsen]

Originally Posted by canaglia

Gasly didn't get a second chance, he was demoted to tororosso after 2019 summer break and it's unlikely he will get back to RB in the future despite a great 2020 season. This dtm program is the same limbo where Albon will stay for a while since he couldn't come back in tororosso/AT because of Tsunoda backed by honda. And then you're comparing two extremely different situations... after 2016, mercedes is definitely happy to have a Barrichello-like driver who will never be a serious threat for Hamilton

They DID give Gasly a second chance, he is still at Alpha Tauri isn't he?

Rd Bull done more for their drivers than any other team: what have McLaren done for Vandoorne or De Vries after dropping them?

[Bcarr6]

Originally Posted by steve nielsen

They DID give Gasly a second chance, he is still at Alpha Tauri isn't he?

Rd Bull done more for their drivers than any other team: what have McLaren done for Vandoorne or De Vries after dropping them?

You have to give RB credit, at least recently they have made efforts to assist drivers they drop for around a year after or so

And 4-5 years ago they wouldn’t have given gasly that second chance at ALPHA TAURI

[gert]

Originally Posted by steve nielsen

Rd Bull done more for their drivers than any other team: what have McLaren done for Vandoorne or De Vries after dropping them?

That's a bit Pot calling Kettle black.

What has McLaren done?
Just as much as Red Bull has done for Liuzzi, Doornbos, Hartley, Alguersuari, Bourdais or Vergne after dropping them?

They (RB) have certainly been nice to some of their ex-drivers, but others have been dropped like a stone.


The same goed for the ex Red Bull juniors. Some achieved a nice carreer THANKS TO Red Bull. Some achieved a nice carreer DESPITE Red Bull.
Some disappeared from the radar altogether. Hard to tell if they would have been better off without Red Bull or not.

[steve nielsen]

Doornbos?

you obviously did not see him race in Champcar?



Liuzzi became Force India testdriver imediately after Toro Rosso, did not need help with that, Bourdais became a factory Peugeot driver in LMP1, did not need help, Vergne was signed to drive FE for Andretti directlty after F1, did not need help, Hartley also went to FE and WEC Toyoya LMP1 directly after F1, did not need help, wich leaves Alguersuari who did 46 races for Toro Rosso but never impressed ebough to find employment elsewhere, also did not impress when he got a chance in FE

[peebee2]

Red Bull get a bad rap. The truth is they do more for their juniors than anybody else.

Pretty much everybody else just gets to pay for the privilege to start with, although some RB juniors brought money too.

[Matt K]

I think it's not a place to talk about it. It's the DTM 2021 thread so I'd suggest continuing the discussion about F1 elsewhere.

[Racing Harz]

No GRT. They priorise ADAC GT Masters (4 Cars), GTWCEC (2 Cars) and IMSA (2 Cars)
http://gt-place.com/2021/01/08/ich-v...gt-dtm-plaene/

[Matt K]

Quite a big blow for DTM, I'd really hoped for at least two Lambos from them. But having such a wide programme in GT it was impossible to commit to another series.
And ADAC GT is simply cheaper.
I fear these factors may really hinder entries in the DTM.

[thetool]

Not convinced this will actually materialise. Distinct lack of confirmed drivers and hard to see who this series appeals to, drivers wise.

[Bcarr6]

Originally Posted by thetool

Not convinced this will actually materialise. Distinct lack of confirmed drivers and hard to see who this series appeals to, drivers wise.

10 cars confirmed so far.

GTWC only has a handful of cars confirmed for the season, British GT only has a handful of confirmed cars so far, the new GTWC Australia has none, GTWC America has a couple, GT Open has none.

It’s safe to say it’s far too early to tell who is going to have a decent grid or not this year.

I can’t imagine the DTM in its new format will have less than the number of class one cars it had last year.

If it can must 18-20 cars with professional drivers then it’s good news.

Remember the two confirmed drivers so far are Red Bull drivers, and 2 of Audi’s former DTM works teams have confirmed cars. And remember as with all series, announcements don’t reflect confirmed entries, as it’s down to the teams when they decide to share their plans

As with every series, I’m sure announcements will pick up now the Christmas break is done and dusted, granted COVID may be affecting some plans still this year

[Matt K]

Red Bull is reportedly going to race two Ferraris in their DTM campaign, although it's still not certain which team will run the programme.
Nick Cassidy is linked with being a substitute driver for Albon.

[krzysiek_aleks]

Nick would be a good choice. He's supported by Red Bull, he raced a lot of different cars.

But Ferrari? Why? 488 Evo is, well, meh, just like original 488 GT3

[S griffin]

A Red Bull backed Ferrari is not something I would ever thought of hearing

[canaglia]

don't know if redbull will handle dtm with a own work team or will hire a third party, but as far I remember the only german team using 488 is rinaldi racing

[gert]

Originally Posted by canaglia

don't know if redbull will handle dtm with a own work team or will hire a third party, but as far I remember the only german team using 488 is rinaldi racing

It doesn't have to be a German team does it?
Kessel runs a bunch of Ferrari's and they are Swiss.

And there will be another German team running Ferrari's: Phoenix will operate the Wochenspiegel Team Monschau 488GT3 in ELMS.

https://www.endurance-info.com/fr/wo...n-gt3-et-lmp3/

[Bcarr6]

Teams by no means have to be German