New ACO rules - bad calls? - Page 5

TheNewBob · 30 Sep 2007, 16:59 (Ref:2027071)

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Originally Posted by Spyderman

Why? The ACO did when the diesels turned up.

That's different - the diesels required a whole new set of rules, not just some little performance tweak.

Spyderman · 30 Sep 2007, 16:59 (Ref:2027072)

Wrong!!!! They made the rules with the aid of the diesels.
Audi and the ACO discussed and discussed and discussed and discussed.....

Spyderman · 30 Sep 2007, 17:04 (Ref:2027076)

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Originally Posted by TheNewBob

That's different - the diesels required a whole new set of rules, not just some little performance tweak.

Rules are rules. Wether you tweak them or elaborate new ones you are still adjusting.

Anyway, whats so wrong with "little perrformance tweaks"? They do it all the time.

HORNDAWG · 30 Sep 2007, 17:12 (Ref:2027084)

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Originally Posted by Spyderman

Wrong!!!! They made the rules with the aid of the diesels.
Audi and the ACO discussed and discussed and discussed and discussed.....

! Who made and make the rules? The ACO.

L.P.

Spyderman · 30 Sep 2007, 17:21 (Ref:2027091)

No kidding!
Look, your implication was that the ACO woke up one bright morning and made up a set of rules.
Audi then opened the mail one day and saw the new rules and said: "Hmmm... sounds like a nice set of rules. Should we build a car?"
Don't you think that the ACO developed the rules in conjunction with the diesel manufacturers?
They did with the gasoline manufacturers before petrol was akin to the usage of bad language.

ss_collins · 30 Sep 2007, 17:21 (Ref:2027092)

We all forget that the first diesel LMP was nowhere...

Its hard to judge without a fully loaded petrol car.

LMP1 - leave it alone I think it seems just about ok
LMP2 - what a great class - maintain gap to LMP1 as it is now in the ALMS not at a reduced pace
GT1 - kill it now!
GT2 - change its name to GT1
GT3 - change its name to GT2

Spyderman · 30 Sep 2007, 17:27 (Ref:2027095)

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Originally Posted by ss_collins

We all forget that the first diesel LMP was nowhere...

Its hard to judge without a fully loaded petrol car.

LMP1 - leave it alone I think it seems just about ok
LMP2 - what a great class - maintain gap to LMP1 as it is now in the ALMS not at a reduced pace
GT1 - kill it now!
GT2 - change its name to GT1
GT3 - change its name to GT2

We're in absolute agreement,...except for P1

Hugewally · 30 Sep 2007, 17:34 (Ref:2027106)

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Originally Posted by ss_collins

We all forget that the first diesel LMP was nowhere...

Its hard to judge without a fully loaded petrol car.

LMP1 - leave it alone I think it seems just about ok
LMP2 - what a great class - maintain gap to LMP1 as it is now in the ALMS not at a reduced pace

I'd like to see a return to the P900/P675 idea of two classes going for overall...

ger80 · 30 Sep 2007, 20:22 (Ref:2027290)

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Originally Posted by Hugewally

I'd like to see a return to the P900/P675 idea of two classes going for overall...

And I would like a real P2 class for privaters only. P1 weight, smaller engine with smaller restrictor or even electronic restrictor.

Hugewally · 30 Sep 2007, 23:39 (Ref:2027414)

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Originally Posted by ger80

And I would like a real P2 class for privaters only. P1 weight, smaller engine with smaller restrictor or even electronic restrictor.

I don't see a valid reason to restrict privateers only to a prototype class where they can't compete for overall wins. The idea (IMO) of P1 for factories only is foolish.

HORNDAWG · 1 Oct 2007, 02:56 (Ref:2027491)

Hmm, I may be mistaken but I do not see where 'ger80' said anything about restricting what class "Privateers" run in, only that P-2 be Privateers only. That, in my mind, means restricting "works" teams to P-1 only!

L.P.

ss_collins · 1 Oct 2007, 09:04 (Ref:2027660)

dunno about that though - the works P2's in the states really make the racing a lot of fun

Nordic · 1 Oct 2007, 10:07 (Ref:2027711)

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Originally Posted by ss_collins

dunno about that though - the works P2's in the states really make the racing a lot of fun

I think a P1 Porshe/Honda would do that just as easily.

HORNDAWG · 1 Oct 2007, 15:26 (Ref:2027995)

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Originally Posted by Nordic

I think a P1 Porshe/Honda would do that just as easily.

So do I! And from the adjustments to the rules I think the ACO does also.

L.P.

AU N EGL · 1 Oct 2007, 17:27 (Ref:2028121)

P1 with Audi, Pug, Pesca, Porsche, Honda, some priveteers, dang now that would be racing.

kingkai · 1 Oct 2007, 17:41 (Ref:2028132)

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Originally Posted by ss_collins

We all forget that the first diesel LMP was nowhere...

Its hard to judge without a fully loaded petrol car.

LMP1 - leave it alone I think it seems just about ok
LMP2 - what a great class - maintain gap to LMP1 as it is now in the ALMS not at a reduced pace
GT1 - kill it now!
GT2 - change its name to GT1
GT3 - change its name to GT2

Kill GT1 now, Do you want to die now

Are you mad? (I love current and old GT1, so thats why I react in this way

)

HORNDAWG · 2 Oct 2007, 16:55 (Ref:2029107)

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Originally Posted by Spyderman

Wrong!!!! They made the rules with the aid of the diesels.
Audi and the ACO discussed and discussed and discussed and discussed.....

Really? Then if there were no rules how did the Taurus Lola run? Explain please!!!!

L.P.

prototype · 2 Oct 2007, 20:42 (Ref:2029338)

I think adding 50 kilos to the LMP2 class is a certain sign that the ACO plan to kill off the current GT1 cars. In my opinion, a GT1 would be faster around Le Mans under next years rules.

ss_collins · 2 Oct 2007, 21:01 (Ref:2029360)

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Kill GT1 now, Do you want to die now
Are you mad? (I love current and old GT1, so thats why I react in this way

GT1 must die - overpriced, undersupported and frankly a dinosaur. Really nice cars though.

LeMans.pt · 3 Oct 2007, 16:09 (Ref:2029981)

The Portuguese motorsport newspapper Autosport on-line edition, is saying that Steve Wesoloski, from GM, in a interview to Speed TV as said that they are aiming do a overall victory in Le Mans but that depends on ACO's new regulations for 2011. A cost reduction and Streetcar look-a-like would be the GM "demands" to built a future Corvette LMP1...

Does the ACO really gona do that???

They will kill Le Mans...

Original Story

Bob Riebe · 3 Oct 2007, 16:25 (Ref:2029994)

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Originally Posted by gwyllion

The tortilla price already rose a lot because of demand for bioethanol

That is not funny if your a hard up Mexican worker; around here cattle farmers are quitting and going to crops because they cannot afford the corn to feed their cattle in winter.
Also not funny if your the one looking at five figure red ink.

Bob

ThePenguin · 3 Oct 2007, 18:36 (Ref:2030109)

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

That is not funny if your a hard up Mexican worker; around here cattle farmers are quitting and going to crops because they cannot afford the corn to feed their cattle in winter.
Also not funny if your the one looking at five figure red ink.

Bob

And then less catle farmers means higher priced dairy and beef... and it goes on and on.

HORNDAWG · 3 Oct 2007, 19:07 (Ref:2030135)

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Originally Posted by LeMans.pt

The Portuguese motorsport newspapper Autosport on-line edition, is saying that Steve Wesoloski, from GM, in a interview to Speed TV as said that they are aiming do a overall victory in Le Mans but that depends on ACO's new regulations for 2011. A cost reduction and Streetcar look-a-like would be the GM "demands" to built a future Corvette LMP1...

Does the ACO really gona do that???

They will kill Le Mans...

Original Story

Did we read the same article??

L.P.

LeMans.pt · 3 Oct 2007, 21:01 (Ref:2030272)

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Originally Posted by HORNDAWG

Did we read the same article??

Sorry HORNDAWG. But what do you mean with that?

I´ve already read (probably i just read the same article now) the original article on speedtv.com, and the Portuguese translation was a little abusive... but if i understood correctly the context, Steve Wesoloski (GM) prefers a look-a-like street cars LMP class for a probable Corvette LMP, and that GM does not have the budget of an Audi...

...but i could misunderstood his words...

would you like to say to me what do you think he meant?

HORNDAWG · 3 Oct 2007, 21:42 (Ref:2030296)

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Originally Posted by LeMans.pt

Sorry HORNDAWG. But what do you mean with that?

I´ve already read (probably i just read the same article now) the original article on speedtv.com, and the Portuguese translation was a little abusive... but if i understood correctly the context, Steve Wesoloski (GM) prefers a look-a-like street cars LMP class for a probable Corvette LMP, and that GM does not have the budget of an Audi...

...but i could misunderstood his words...

would you like to say to me what do you think he meant?

I do not know if his words were misunderstood or not. But he made no demands, only stated that there where conditions under which he would have to operate in the making of decisions on which way he would steer GM's Road Racing efforts now and in the future.

L.P.

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