ALMS Round 4: Salt Lake City - Page 5

Spyderman · 15 May 2008, 19:55 (Ref:2203388)

OK I think I might have an answer to this riddle.
If you guys recall at the beginning of the season (when the 997RSR Evo first appeared) we were all surprised to see that the engine power quoted was 460 as opposed to 485 in 2007, It seems that Porsche have taken a cut in hp in order to get a cut in weight.

HORNDAWG · 15 May 2008, 20:10 (Ref:2203409)

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Originally Posted by Spyderman

OK I think I might have an answer to this riddle.
If you guys recall at the beginning of the season (when the 997RSR Evo first appeared) we were all surprised to see that the engine power quoted was 460 as opposed to 485 in 2007, It seems that Porsche have taken a cut in hp in order to get a cut in weight.

So in other words, it is running/homologated at a lighter weight! As I first suggested.

L.P.

arakis · 15 May 2008, 20:42 (Ref:2203438)

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Originally Posted by Spyderman

OK I think I might have an answer to this riddle.
If you guys recall at the beginning of the season (when the 997RSR Evo first appeared) we were all surprised to see that the engine power quoted was 460 as opposed to 485 in 2007, It seems that Porsche have taken a cut in hp in order to get a cut in weight.

but thats cheating its not only a weight break its what equalises the tho car that are run in diferent spec,

Ferrari, 1125 kilos, smalier tires and smaler restrictor, and maler wings
porsche has all these breaks becouse it chose to have 100 kilos more its plain wrong to lessen the weight diff just becouse Porsche hasnt been able to mach Ferraris speed, When Ferrari was slower then porsch from 2000 up until 2005 no rules were bent to speed up the ferrari even do Porsche dominated every race in every series, Well not exacly ferrari had some succsess in 2001 and 2003 but thats beside the point

arakis · 15 May 2008, 20:47 (Ref:2203443)

GOD I hate artifical performance adjusting after Rules have been set and cars have been built. I wanna see witch car is fastest be it porsche or ferrari. this way they can just as well call the series GT3

arakis · 15 May 2008, 21:11 (Ref:2203468)

I have evidance that porsche has been runing 25 kilos lower weight since the beging of the 2008 sesaon, I emailed Flying lizard, asking tham if they could explain to me why imsa posted that buletin, ( I masked my self as a porsche fan offcoure) he he,

I got a reply where they state that the weight of the car was changed since the end of last season, and that the car was alowed to run up until this month at 1200 kilos. and they will run with 1200 kilos at Utah to.

**joeb** · 15 May 2008, 21:29 (Ref:2203487)

Ok, now that the Porsche weight issue has been resolved, I have another homologation question. On the most recent video of the Ford GT there is talk about how they were given a smaller restrictor than the competition. and how much smaller is it, well they didn't say, but it seems strange that the car would have been given a smaller restrictor but is now given a weight reduction. Does anybody know anything about this? Do the other "new" GT2 cars (Vantage, Corvette) have reduced restrictors?

arakis · 15 May 2008, 21:39 (Ref:2203493)

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Originally Posted by joeb

Ok, now that the Porsche weight issue has been resolved, I have another homologation question. On the most recent video of the Ford GT there is talk about how they were given a smaller restrictor than the competition. and how much smaller is it, well they didn't say, but it seems strange that the car would have been given a smaller restrictor but is now given a weight reduction. Does anybody know anything about this? Do the other "new" GT2 cars (Vantage, Corvette) have reduced restrictors?

my guess would be that they have much bigger engines I yhink 5 or 6 l wich is compared to 4l ferrari and 3.8 a big diff, and thus they got smaller restrictors, becouse even if their hp figures are below ferraris or porsches the torques numbers are probably trough the roof

Zurbert82 · 15 May 2008, 21:48 (Ref:2203502)

The 997 GT3 RSR is still heavier and the F430 is still faster over a single lap... Flying Lizard would still be leading the points this season even if they were at 1225 KG.

Fogelhund · 15 May 2008, 22:05 (Ref:2203513)

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Originally Posted by joeb

Ok, now that the Porsche weight issue has been resolved, I have another homologation question. On the most recent video of the Ford GT there is talk about how they were given a smaller restrictor than the competition. and how much smaller is it, well they didn't say, but it seems strange that the car would have been given a smaller restrictor but is now given a weight reduction. Does anybody know anything about this? Do the other "new" GT2 cars (Vantage, Corvette) have reduced restrictors?

Restrictor size is based on a formula of weight and engine displacement. Cars with larger engine displacements will have smaller restrictors.

HORNDAWG · 15 May 2008, 22:15 (Ref:2203519)

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Originally Posted by joeb

Ok, now that the Porsche weight issue has been resolved, I have another homologation question. On the most recent video of the Ford GT there is talk about how they were given a smaller restrictor than the competition. and how much smaller is it, well they didn't say, but it seems strange that the car would have been given a smaller restrictor but is now given a weight reduction. Does anybody know anything about this? Do the other "new" GT2 cars (Vantage, Corvette) have reduced restrictors?

Well when there is something more substantive (real #'s) than the narrator of a puff piece whimsically wrapping up, there may be something to check. Until then its a mystery to me.

L.P.

**joeb** · 16 May 2008, 00:27 (Ref:2203602)

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Originally Posted by arakis

my guess would be that they have much bigger engines I yhink 5 or 6 l wich is compared to 4l ferrari and 3.8 a big diff, and thus they got smaller restrictors, becouse even if their hp figures are below ferraris or porsches the torques numbers are probably trough the roof

Sounds plausable to me. I don't know the exact size of the engine, and can't find it on their website.

**joeb** · 16 May 2008, 00:29 (Ref:2203604)

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Originally Posted by HORNDAWG

Well when there is something more substantive (real #'s) than the narrator of a puff piece whimsically wrapping up, there may be something to check. Until then its a mystery to me.

L.P.

Now what makes you think it is a puff piece, and not some good subjective documentry making?? hahahahahaha Eitherway, I find the videos pretty entertaining.

minimangler · 16 May 2008, 00:30 (Ref:2203607)

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Originally Posted by joeb

Sounds plausable to me. I don't know the exact size of the engine, and can't find it on their website.

3.8 litre.

andy_b · 16 May 2008, 08:13 (Ref:2203749)

ALMS Spotters Guide has been updated for Utah, completed with tyre changes for the Viper and LG Corvette and also the two new entries, the de Ferran Acura (artists impression) and an exclusive, the 2nd Vici racing, which seems to be pretty much exclusive for the time being

Free PDF and JPG as ever over at www.spotterguides.com (part of Ten-Tenths)

**joeb** · 16 May 2008, 13:33 (Ref:2204010)

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Originally Posted by andy_b

ALMS Spotters Guide has been updated for Utah, completed with tyre changes for the Viper and LG Corvette and also the two new entries, the de Ferran Acura (artists impression) and an exclusive, the 2nd Vici racing, which seems to be pretty much exclusive for the time being

Free PDF and JPG as ever over at www.spotterguides.com (part of Ten-Tenths)

Looks good as always! I missed the LG car switching to Dunlops, I hope it works for them.

andy_b · 16 May 2008, 14:10 (Ref:2204048)

they have also lost lots of weight too. Apparently the car arrived very overweight.

HORNDAWG · 16 May 2008, 16:06 (Ref:2204173)

Yes it did. http://tentenths.com/forum/showpost....0&postcount=39

L.P.

andy_b · 16 May 2008, 16:35 (Ref:2204199)

just seen a pic of the de Ferran Acura. Its basically, as per the test day, so its black base, with the red stripes I have on the spotters guide and a small Panasonic on the sidepod.

minimangler · 16 May 2008, 16:42 (Ref:2204211)

where've you seen it?

andy_b · 16 May 2008, 16:53 (Ref:2204226)

someone sent to me

It will be out in the air shortly

Chaos81 · 16 May 2008, 17:51 (Ref:2204264)

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Originally Posted by HORNDAWG

I do believe he was responding to

That is correct.

arakis · 16 May 2008, 19:49 (Ref:2204345)

will the promoter test be covered by live timing and scoring, they start in 20 min I think

HORNDAWG · 16 May 2008, 19:56 (Ref:2204347)

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Originally Posted by arakis

will the promoter test be covered by live timing and scoring, they start in 20 min I think

Its not on the RML schedule (on the main page) or in the ALMS section. They have sometimes been there early and broadcast but you will have to check it live I believe. Sorry not much help!

L.P.

prototype · 16 May 2008, 20:12 (Ref:2204359)

I think they are on west coast time. I think IMSA will have timing but no RLM coverage.

Chaos81 · 16 May 2008, 20:13 (Ref:2204360)

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Originally Posted by prototype

I think they are on west coast time.

They are on mountain time.

Live timing is up now.

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