Panoz Abruzzi - Page 5

gttouring · 3 Oct 2010, 12:24 (Ref:2768609)

I always liked the Panoz efforts be it the LMPGtR. Or the GT2 car always a delight on track and a good scrapp from them I hope the Abruzzi is mustard no eason it shouldn't be. In race trim it should look wicked

picchiofan · 3 Oct 2010, 15:15 (Ref:2768660)

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Originally Posted by Félix

The Esperante won Sebring and Le Mans, and it competed for the lead for several years against Porsche and Ferrari in the ALMS. Outside of those 2 brands, it's the most successful GT2 car ever (maybe tied with the BMWs, but BMW's pedigree in the endurance classics against quality opponents is somewhat weaker to me).

So, outside of Porsche, Ferrari, BMW and Corvette, it's one of the most successful GT cars out there. So, it's better than what, the GT40 and Jag? So, about 5th out of 7 cars? Maybe we can include the non-existant lexus program, that puts it in the top half, right?

And hey, since all they're doing is rebodying that same 5-6 year old car that had success in 2005 and 2006, this means the "abruzzi" will be a success, right?

picchiofan · 3 Oct 2010, 15:17 (Ref:2768663)

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Originally Posted by gttouring

In race trim it should look wicked

Eh, nope.

Looks like an air cooled bug with one of those godawful fibreglass kits on it.

gttouring · 3 Oct 2010, 15:41 (Ref:2768670)

right-
not enough GTR-LMP and too much of something else...
still with visteon sponsorship colors it would be better

JayBMS · 3 Oct 2010, 20:01 (Ref:2768769)

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Originally Posted by picchiofan

Eh, nope.

Looks like an air cooled bug with one of those godawful fibreglass kits on it.

Paint it black and you've got a GT2 batmobile

rich07 · 3 Oct 2010, 21:42 (Ref:2768828)

It certainly looks different (its a Panoz for petes sake) but the racecar looks a lot better then the concept unveiled at Le Mans. Hopefully a European team runs one or two next year, would be fantastic to see the car on both sides of the Atlantic.

I just hope they sort out the problems with the cloaking device lol

Fogelhund · 4 Oct 2010, 12:45 (Ref:2769063)

This teams drivers should tell you all you need to know, about how successful a program should be.

simontibbett · 4 Oct 2010, 13:10 (Ref:2769089)

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Originally Posted by picchiofan

Eh, nope.

Looks like an air cooled bug with one of those godawful fibreglass kits on it.

I personally LOVE IT, I hated it in photos but in real life it's just beautiful.

**joeb** · 4 Oct 2010, 16:16 (Ref:2769250)

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Originally Posted by simontibbett

I personally LOVE IT, I hated it in photos but in real life it's just beautiful.

I will agree and disagree with you there! I did like the race prepped chassis in person, but the road car was still made me look away!

Fogelhund · 4 Oct 2010, 16:18 (Ref:2769252)

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Originally Posted by joeb

I will agree and disagree with you there! I did like the race prepped chassis in person, but the road car was still made me look away!

I think from the front end, the car looks better, almost pretty good. A good paint job certainly helps.

The back end though.... still awkward proportions at best.

cmk · 4 Oct 2010, 16:49 (Ref:2769279)

Honestly, the thing looks like they took a refreshed GTR1 front end and mashed it onto the back half of some coachwork for an early 30s American two-door sedan with that wide, long rounded convex tail section.

Fogelhund, I take it you're not convinced that James and Leuenberger are a match for Brabham and Bourdais?!

**batmobile** · 4 Oct 2010, 17:06 (Ref:2769295)

some pics from Endurance - Info : http://www.endurance-info.com/versio...?page=605&np=1

Fogelhund · 4 Oct 2010, 17:12 (Ref:2769301)

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Originally Posted by cmk

Honestly, the thing looks like they took a refreshed GTR1 front end and mashed it onto the back half of some coachwork for an early 30s American two-door sedan with that wide, long rounded convex tail section.

Fogelhund, I take it you're not convinced that James and Leuenberger are a match for Brabham and Bourdais?!

It was said to me, that the Don wanted the back end to look like a early 30's Delahaye.

cmk · 4 Oct 2010, 17:24 (Ref:2769312)

Target acquired and achieved!

Don't really know why he wanted that of course, given that the back of a Delahaye looks a lot better when attached to the front of one...

**joeb** · 4 Oct 2010, 17:40 (Ref:2769320)

I didn't look close enough at the track, but why does the Abruzzi have a large scoop on the roof that looks like it will slow it down considerably?

picchiofan · 4 Oct 2010, 18:19 (Ref:2769340)

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Originally Posted by joeb

I didn't look close enough at the track, but why does the Abruzzi have a large scoop on the roof that looks like it will slow it down considerably?

Rear mounted radiators.

**joeb** · 4 Oct 2010, 18:51 (Ref:2769352)

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Originally Posted by picchiofan

Rear mounted radiators.

thanks. I suppose that will help with weight distribution.

CTD · 4 Oct 2010, 20:38 (Ref:2769408)

That/Those "front wings" are going to give it great possibility for adjusting Aero, optimizing performance at all tracks.
But i like it way better in race trim.

did it do any times?

andy_b · 4 Oct 2010, 20:52 (Ref:2769418)

it was just a parade lap, behind a number of road going Panoz

CTD · 4 Oct 2010, 21:03 (Ref:2769431)

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Originally Posted by andy_b

it was just a parade lap, behind a number of road going Panoz

Sad, but it's probably nothing more than a "demo car", without the race spec chassis and engine.
But with the right budget (same as Corvette, Ferrari, Porsche and BMW) i think this will be fast!

andy_b · 4 Oct 2010, 22:39 (Ref:2769480)

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Originally Posted by CTD

Sad, but it's probably nothing more than a "demo car", without the race spec chassis and engine.
But with the right budget (same as Corvette, Ferrari, Porsche and BMW) i think this will be fast!

The roadcar was the same car shown at Le Mans. Only visible change was the larger carbon air scoop cover on the roof. That wasn't there at Le Mans. One suspects, with my limited aerodynamic knowlege, not enough air was being sucked in as the roof drops away at that point and the boundary layer and turbulence will stop 'clean air' going into the scoop. I noticed the racecar had that too.

I still dont know what the front air intakes do, given the radiator is rear mounted. I wish I went over and had a closer look at the racecar now.

carsten66 · 5 Oct 2010, 00:13 (Ref:2769512)

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Originally Posted by batmobile

some pics from Endurance - Info : http://www.endurance-info.com/versio...?page=605&np=1

Watching again the pictures... and just thinking of all the great looking GT2 cars on the grid... I'm sorry guys and it's just my opion but this car simply looks ugly...

WMUCarGuy · 5 Oct 2010, 00:19 (Ref:2769515)

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Originally Posted by carsten66

Watching again the pictures... and just thinking of all the great looking GT2 cars on the grid... I'm sorry guys and it's just my opion but this car simply looks ugly...

At least the Jag looks nice(ish). This thing is gonna have to FLY because it sure isn't pretty. I can allow the looks on the race car though as it's a race car and it's allowed to be as bonkers as it wants, as long as it's functional.

fiend540 · 5 Oct 2010, 00:51 (Ref:2769526)

It's very ugly imo, but another car on the grid is always good. What is it running under the hood?

WMUCarGuy · 5 Oct 2010, 01:01 (Ref:2769531)

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Originally Posted by fiend540

It's very ugly imo, but another car on the grid is always good. What is it running under the hood?

The road car has the LS9 from the Corvette ZR1, don't know exactly what iteration of that motor will be in the race car though.

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