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3 May 2009, 18:25 (Ref:2454701) | #101 | ||
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At what point do BMW start waving their arms and say "give us some weight breaks"?
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Why Chevy ended up with -20kg instead of -10 or 0 from the base weight is still a bit confusing though. Nobody seems to know for sure. |
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4 May 2009, 01:10 (Ref:2454880) | #103 | ||
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No, pick them, I really want to see them. We should all be friends here, you treat me as if I were stupid. It's not moaning, it's demanding some respect.
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The other Leòn he passed was Tarquini, but you have to take into consideration that Gabriele said he had problems with his brakes. And yes, Yvan is a great driver and you will hardly pass him, even if you are Rob Huff. Were Rickard Rydell there, he would have surely been a hard guy to overtake, too. Yvan Muller's talent is very important for Seat, I always said that Yvan - Seat Sport (Oreca) - Leòn TDi were the WINNING PACKAGE, meaning the Frenchman is definitely an important factor. |
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Gabriele also said his 'Engine wasn’t perfect after qualifying which affected my top speed today. It didn’t affect me too much in Race 1 but in Race 2 I couldn’t fight at the front.'
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Meanwhile, I counted all passes made during the races, excluding people retiring etc SEAT TDI passing any other cartype: 5 times in total SEAT TDI being passed by any other cartype: 6 times in total So the Super top speed completely unpassable SEAT TDI gets passed more times that is manages to pass others on a track that is the most high speed track of the year (79% full throttle). Yet you get offended when I point out that you are biased. |
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As requested by the moderators, I'm not going to discuss the 'offenses' I would have thrown at you. |
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Oh yeah of course.
Incidentally, the fact that Rydell drove no races and Gene only one is irrelevant, since that meant no one could have overtaken them either. |
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What also shows your bias is eg how you wrote "Funny move from Sergio indeed. It ruined Andy's chances." Sure, colliding with Sergio caused a lot of extra damage, but realistically, how big chances did Andy have to get higher up the grid than 9th after demolishing his front on his own by going off? In any case, if next weekend equalization would be determined only by this weekend, Seat and Chevy would have +40kg and BMW -10kg. To me that sais that what I see on the track matches pretty well with the numbers the formula spits out. |
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Anyway, Chevy are going to get a +60kg ballast next weekend. Another good present to SEAT. Actually, I hope it rains in Pau so at least we're going to see some show. I've already given up in supporting anyone for the crown... |
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Well, he wasn't going to end up ahead of the Chevies and SEATs, so the absolute best he could hope for was 7th in case hitting the tirewall didnt do too much damage for him to be competitive vs the 2 other BMWs. So max 7th instead of 9th out of a 24 car grid. Yet your opinion is that Sergio RUINED it for Andy, not to mention that the accident wouldn't even have happened if Andy wouldn't have gone off the track as well all by himself.
And it does clearly show your bias. Every time Andy doesnt win, for whatever reason, it's an absolute outrage and you start pointing fingers at who/what "ruined" it for Andy. If it actually is relevant or not is not important for your scape goat hunt. As for nobody but SEAT having a chance at Pau, I believe you are wrong. I guess we will see soon enough. |
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Sorry, but where did Jorg start? Because, if I remember correctly, he collected 6 points starting from 8th, keeping the place and starting on the front row at the 2nd race, which Andy could have done if that accident hadn't happened. Having said that, of course HE WOULD NEVER HAVE WON and that BMWs are slow at the moment. But I think we can all agree that Hernandez hitting him was no help and it ruined the chances of him getting 2 good races. And yes, in a race in which the best laps from the 1st to the 11th placed are of max 0,5s two places on the grid matter a lot! Do I have to remind you that he remained stuck behind Bennani and Jorg? Had he completed even 1 slow lap, he'd have qualified 8th and there would have been much less chance of it to happen. Is that outrageous? What probably isn't clear is that I would love to see the best 2 drivers (always IMO) of the Wtcc fight at the same level. That would be great fun, and then win the best. I would add Rob Huff, too. |
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Priaulx COULD have won had Hernandez not hit him. He COULD have got pole in that qualifying session and gone on to win race one. He COULD have done that at Puebla and Curitiba as well. He just didn't.
And as for him being stuck behind Bennani and Jorg, if he was faster than them, he'd have overtaken them. |
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Especially as the petrol-seat probably is the worst car to have a Marrakech; poor aerodynamics ánd low power. The lower weight will have helped on the brakes though.
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Well, seeing Coronel's laptimes in practice I don't think so... In fact, I don't remember if it was Martin Haven or Cleland, but one of them said 'Bennani's performance is evidence that SEAT could still be competitive with the Tfsi, given that independants have such a good level against BMWs and Chevys'.
Ok, same thing for Huff then: he wasn't faster than Yvan? Of course Priaulx didn't, and anyway I didn't bring the subject after this topic, because it's racing and it happens. But, without doubt, the further you start of the lead the worse it is for your chances of having a good race, ain't it? Stedevil, looks like there was a little more than just a puncture on Jorg's car. I heard that the suspension was involved, too. Anyway, it's unrealistic to think that BMW Team Germany said 'OK, we've had a puncture, let's not go out and fight for a better position, we'd best stay in the garage and have a good tasty sandwich with Jorg and Augusto.' If you can go out, you go out, if you can't you stay in the pits. Why stay in the garage? Jorg would SURELY have gone faster than Engstler and gained a place, and thay had nothing to lose in going out on the track after having changed the tyre. |
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OK, no fight for pole position, but gaining one place was absolutely possible. |
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You make it sound like Engstler was behind by a country mile. He wasn't. His Q1 times was 0,15 behind Jörg and 0,25 behind Prialux but eg 0,20 ahead of Farfus and 0,40 ahead of Porteiro. It wasn't just an accident he made it into Q2, he was on par with the factory drivers and heads an shoulders ahead of other indy BMW drivers also in warmup and the races.
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"The 'bright idea' seems to have worked, since Andy never really had nearly the pace to be in the Top Ten, and yet he did thanks to Alex's tow." |
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BTW Jörg also seems to belong to the group that "only got by because of drafting" "Bis zu diesem Zeitpunkt war ich Elfter und somit nicht für das letzte, Top-Ten-Quali, qualifiziert. Ich habe mich dann hinter einem Seat gehängt und konnte mich im Windschatten auf Platz acht schieben." http://www.jorg-muller.com/index.htm
And if I got it right, then what happened to Jörgs wheel was that the tire was forced off the rim, so no worse damage than a puncture. |
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