'09 ALMS Round 5 • Lime Rock, July 15th - 18th - Page 5

**joeb** · 17 Jul 2009, 20:02 (Ref:2503482)

Just noticed the Intersport team still has the Strategic Air sponsorship, but no Ducote listed on the car.

**joeb** · 17 Jul 2009, 20:03 (Ref:2503484)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Purist

I thought the Autocon Lola was supposed to be present. Did their truck get lost somewhere, or did they crash in the first session?

they are out for qualifying

dxk1 · 17 Jul 2009, 20:06 (Ref:2503485)

Red Flag, someone lost it.

DK

**joeb** · 17 Jul 2009, 20:13 (Ref:2503488)

Hindy keeps saying the P2 cars are lighter and more nimble, but I thought they weighed the same this year?

**joeb** · 17 Jul 2009, 20:22 (Ref:2503491)

anyone know why the Radical didn't make Q'ing?

Purist · 17 Jul 2009, 20:23 (Ref:2503492)

No. The P1s are at 900kg for ALMS. P2s are 825kg. They originally were 775kg, then 800kg in 2008, and they've brought them up to full ACO P2 spec weight for this season.

HORNDAWG · 17 Jul 2009, 20:45 (Ref:2503511)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Purist

No. The P1s are at 900kg for ALMS. P2s are 825kg. They originally were 775kg, then 800kg in 2008, and they've brought them up to full ACO P2 spec weight for this season.

P-2s are at 850kg instead of the ACO/LMS 900kg per IMSA Bulletin #09-01

L.P.

Gliding_Serpent · 17 Jul 2009, 21:14 (Ref:2503524)

Quote:

Originally Posted by tlongman

Generally I don't agree with long-winded rants, but in this case I 100% agree. There really should be more emphasis put on the quality of the field and quality of the racing in the series.

So you will be the first to chip in with money? The field represents the times. Hopefully times improve.

Edit: That being said, the series needs to be more team friendly. Sadly, at the moment a "quality field" is based on the money invested. I think we can all agree that this needs change. The issue is that when the big-budget factory teams do arrive, they want to be able to outspend their opponents to win.

**joeb** · 17 Jul 2009, 21:41 (Ref:2503534)

Quote:

Originally Posted by HORNDAWG

P-2s are at 850kg instead of the ACO/LMS 900kg per IMSA Bulletin #09-01

L.P.

I was getting ahead of myself and thinking of the future when they will both by 900kg......

Purist · 17 Jul 2009, 22:00 (Ref:2503545)

isn't that the "problem" with virtually EVERY racing series. The guys with the serious backing do better than the guys without it. Making the cars go faster, and just making these top-line sportscars, costs a fair chunk of change. And lately, aside from Lola, that has been down to the manufacturers, either through works efforts, or approving models for homologation for customer use. You run into the spending issue even in spec series.

We want privateers to not be driven out, but they aren't normally the ones to move the bar forward. They don't make the cars. They don't provide the great majority of the capital needed to promote and market the series to any real level of notoriety.

Serpent, I'm just wondering what you would honestly have in mind to do.

HORNDAWG · 17 Jul 2009, 22:18 (Ref:2503556)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Purist

isn't that the "problem" with virtually EVERY racing series. The guys with the serious backing do better than the guys without it. Making the cars go faster, and just making these top-line sportscars, costs a fair chunk of change. And lately, aside from Lola, that has been down to the manufacturers, either through works efforts, or approving models for homologation for customer use. You run into the spending issue even in spec series.

We want privateers to not be driven out, but they aren't normally the ones to move the bar forward. They don't make the cars. They don't provide the great majority of the capital needed to promote and market the series to any real level of notoriety.

Serpent, I'm just wondering what you would honestly have in mind to do.

Honestly, why don't you all take this conversation out of the race thread and have it in the ALMS season thread!

L.P.

Danny_GT2 · 18 Jul 2009, 00:15 (Ref:2503606)

Good quali, de Ferran are really catching up to Highcroft!

PortlandRaceFan · 18 Jul 2009, 00:16 (Ref:2503607)

I think one of the biggest stories of the race tomorrow is handling the disparity in speeds and traffic. With the GT3s added the transition from No Name to the uphill, which caused so many issues last year will be even more of a challenge. GT3s and other Gts will have to watch their mirrors and the prototypes will have to exercise a great deal of patience. Dual responsibility for sure.

MJ_N_09 · 18 Jul 2009, 01:02 (Ref:2503626)

After listening to RLM, I think that Hindy can even make watching grass grow.

The Badger · 18 Jul 2009, 01:08 (Ref:2503629)

yeah ..... and he has the cheek to comment on how many posts people make on this forum ..... we all dont have the luxery of a mic , now do we ?

Gliding_Serpent · 18 Jul 2009, 01:59 (Ref:2503646)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Purist

Serpent, I'm just wondering what you would honestly have in mind to do.

In the end it comes down to more money. I think we agree on that. Profit sharing by the series with teams is one option, but even without looking at the ALMS books, it is safe to say they don't have much to throw around at the end of the day. We could regulate everything like NASCAR, GA, or Indy... but that is no fun.

To keep the forum police happy... I also agree with you that the race this weekend should be a good one. GT2 has the potential to be especially close!

Cuttlefish · 18 Jul 2009, 10:29 (Ref:2503738)

Gotta be disappointing for Acura. One year later, new LMP1 car, and they're 3 tenths slower than last years car. At least they beat the R10's time.

It's been shown that P2 has been effectively neutered, the 09 is Acura is 1.6s slower than the 08 variant.

I think the proto racing should be fairly interesting as well (if you ignore the different classes). Hopefully Jon Field will put on a show for us.

MJ_N_09 · 18 Jul 2009, 13:16 (Ref:2503782)

^ With Ducote gone, I think we now get the chance to see what Intersport can really do.

HORNDAWG · 18 Jul 2009, 14:59 (Ref:2503804)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cuttlefish

Gotta be disappointing for Acura. One year later, new LMP1 car, and they're 3 tenths slower than last years car. At least they beat the R10's time.

It's been shown that P2 has been effectively neutered, the 09 is Acura is 1.6s slower than the 08 variant.

I think the proto racing should be fairly interesting as well (if you ignore the different classes). Hopefully Jon Field will put on a show for us.

Disappointed for Acura? Hmm, maybe I am missing something here, P-1 set pole this year vs P-2 last. The only real comparative time we have is Fernandez's running the same car as last year and who are a full 1 second slower than last year (08-47.264, 09-48.281). If, for comparison, you add that 1 second to the P-1 time of last year(Pirro 47.403= 48.403) then this year P-1 is 1.4 seconds faster than last years class leading time. A 1.4 second improvement on such a small track as Lime Rock is pretty good, IMO.

L.P.

Dani Filth · 18 Jul 2009, 17:03 (Ref:2503821)

race time in an European time zone pls .. cba to check out sorry

PortlandRaceFan · 18 Jul 2009, 17:51 (Ref:2503833)

Does anyone have an alternative link for RLM. I am on Mac but have been able to listen for years. Now it does not work. Thanks.

**joeb** · 18 Jul 2009, 17:52 (Ref:2503835)

Quote:

Originally Posted by dxk1

I do believe they now have the new car.

DK

Hindy just said pre-race that the Vici car is still the old model.

**joeb** · 18 Jul 2009, 18:19 (Ref:2503839)

some crazy traffic early on!

MJ_N_09 · 18 Jul 2009, 18:27 (Ref:2503841)

Nice effort by the Ford to keep up with the leaders in class.

NightStalk3r · 18 Jul 2009, 18:33 (Ref:2503844)

Pat Long says cya later to the rest of GT2

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