[WTCC] Race 23 & 24 - Macau (MAC), 13/14/16 November 2008

[Dead-Eye]

So what caused the rest of the carnage? Oil from Thompson's attempt to keep going?

[Aslak Vind]

Yes, that was my take of it.

However the whole thing seemed to happen in a black hole, TV camera coverage wise..

[Icebaby]

Coverage always dissapointing at Macau, they seem to always miss incidents, Thompson was hit by Farfus trying a move which was never going to come off and put James in the wall, fortunatly Farfus lost his wheel but would have been excluded anyway for deliberate contact. Oil's a bit of a mystery but could have been Tommo but then Tarquini was smoking but this may have been after he hit the runaway wheel form Farfus which ripped off the sump.

Well done to Muller and Huff , Thommo dreadfully unlucky. Lets hope he finds a works drive next year in either BTCC or WTCC with Honda.

[MikeD]

Well done Yvan Muller...well done. You deserved it the most this year.

PS: What i wouldn't do to kick our Eurosport commentator (Peter Maaloe) out of any kind of motorsport. He cannot pronouce the names and he cannot calculate points. He also say that every driver from Denmark is "unique" (ret enestående, in Danish) and the same with every move they make. He's the biggest crap commentator I have ever heard. Argggg had to watch the races with no sound. Please give us Martin Haven's comments...

[THIM]

Before Thommo was smashed, there were several DNFs caused by engine problems. Maybe one of them polluted the track?

[mattt]

Commentators curse on Thompson and Farfus i'd say

John Cleland doesn't mix his words does he

[FIRE]

Very surprised there weren't crashes in the first lap.

A shame Thompson didn't win the 2nd race.

Congrats to Yvan Muller for winning the title.


Terrible weekend for Coronel. Hope he will have a drive next season.

[redshoes]

Originally Posted by mattt

John Cleland doesn't mix his words does he

Has he ever?

[Icebaby]

John Cleland and Martin Haven have been magic together this season and I hope this continues, John says it like it is and thats just what we want.

On topic regarding Macau I have my doubts about Farfus as a driver, quick yes but erratic which was evident more so at Alfa Romeo. Im not sure if he really warrants the drive when a driver with the calibre of Thompson may be available.

[Asa]

Originally Posted by Aslak Vind

Yes, that was my take of it.

However the whole thing seemed to happen in a black hole, TV camera coverage wise..

The host broadcaster, Macau TV, is just so poor. For me, since WTCC becomes part of Macau, the action has always been quite poor, everytime it has been a game of "follow my leader" until someone breaksdown or crashes. This time the TV cameras couldn't even give us the crashes!

[Lam Pak]

you shall know that macau race is in streets you cant put cameras wherever you want. tdm is good broadcaster and deserve respect.

wtcc is welcome to macau and people like. asa doesnt like cause hk hav no track to host racing. poor hk. those were the days.

[Asa]

Originally Posted by Lam Pak

you shall know that macau race is in streets you cant put cameras wherever you want. tdm is good broadcaster and deserve respect.

wtcc is welcome to macau and people like. asa doesnt like cause hk hav no track to host racing. poor hk. those were the days.

They have cameras in those positions, they just missed the actions.

Those were what days? If you talk about Group A, DTM or Super Touring days, those really were the days when we had great racing.

[stedevil]

Originally Posted by Asa

For me, since WTCC becomes part of Macau, the action has always been quite poor, everytime it has been a game of "follow my leader" until someone breaksdown or crashes.

Can only agree. 9 laps on a track with at best 1 half decent place to pass. The only people that get much out if it is the crash monkeys and tram race afficionados. F1 races have more overtakings...

[FIRE]

Originally Posted by Asa

Those were what days? If you talk about Group A, DTM or Super Touring days, those really were the days when we had great racing.

Never seen these races but it would surprise me these faster cars offered better racing.

[werner]

They should allow overtaking in Malco-hairpin. It is possible if cars are fitted with a hydraulic handbrake.

[Jimmy Magnusson]

I'm quite sure there wasn't any oil on the track. First Farfus hit Thommo, damaging his own car (you could see it wobble under breaking a few times before the wheel came off), and when it finally did come off Tarquini hit it. With the damaged Tarquini slowing down the field behind got compressed, and Menu didn't react in time and could only jerk the car out of the way and into the wall. Any other incidents left unaccounted for?

[100kubik]

Originally Posted by MikeD

Well done Yvan Muller...well done. You deserved it the most this year.

PS: What i wouldn't do to kick our Eurosport commentator (Peter Maaloe) out of any kind of motorsport. He cannot pronouce the names and he cannot calculate points. He also say that every driver from Denmark is "unique" (ret enestående, in Danish) and the same with every move they make. He's the biggest crap commentator I have ever heard. Argggg had to watch the races with no sound. Please give us Martin Haven's comments...

It sounds also really good, when Martin Haven said Kristian Poulsen.
But to dirt one Danish commentator to praise the Danish riders???

[redshoes]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Magnusson

I'm quite sure there wasn't any oil on the track.

Eurosport showed the re-edited highlights last night. The one without Cleland and where Martin spots all the things he missed first time round. There was a brief interview with Menu where he said there was fluid everywhere and blamed Thompson for not parking the car earlier.

[Jimmy Magnusson]

Originally Posted by redshoes

Eurosport showed the re-edited highlights last night. The one without Cleland and where Martin spots all the things he missed first time round. There was a brief interview with Menu where he said there was fluid everywhere and blamed Thompson for not parking the car earlier.

He started off by blaiming Tarquini, but that has changed I see. According to Thompson his car wasn't leaking anything (he should know because he's got the gauges). Of all the cars going through that corner behind Tarquini Menu was the only one who was able to find the oil.

[Dead-Eye]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Magnusson

He started off by blaiming Tarquini, but that has changed I see. According to Thompson his car wasn't leaking anything (he should know because he's got the gauges).

He wouldn't say he knowingly covered the track in oil though, would he?

I guess we'll never know for sure.

[FIRE]

Originally Posted by werner

They should allow overtaking in Malco-hairpin. It is possible if cars are fitted with a hydraulic handbrake.

Coronel had a handbrake especially for Macau.

[werner]

Oh?! Interesting. How do you know that?

[FIRE]

They showed in on Dutch TV:
http://www.rtl.nl/components/sport/g...cau_s2_a13.xml
(I am not sure you can see this from outside Holland, but it's around minute 15)

But I got the impression Coronel didn't use the handbrake. If a team like Sunred has this I am sure at least the other Seats have this too.

[Lam Pak]

Originally Posted by werner

They should allow overtaking in Malco-hairpin. It is possible if cars are fitted with a hydraulic handbrake.

disturbia. how can you fitt 2 cars in melco?if you crash you wont to see fiaa guys sidled up to macau conspiratorially with several looses and sheets of paper rolled up. melco is yellow and actually there had been settlements along to make it in this way.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by Lam Pak

disturbia. how can you fitt 2 cars in melco?if you crash you wont to see fiaa guys sidled up to macau conspiratorially with several looses and sheets of paper rolled up. melco is yellow and actually there had been settlements along to make it in this way.

You can fit two cars through if the drivers have balls. The only narrow bit is the run up to it, the actual braking zone is quite wide, then the exit is narrow. If the driver can get on the inside under brakes, then do a p-brake turn, he could pass.