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18 Apr 2023, 14:42 (Ref:4152107) | #101 | |
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We're still waiting for Honda, I wonder if it will happen? I doubt it. Toyota are staying here for quite a bit, so they don't need to worry about Honda
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18 Apr 2023, 14:54 (Ref:4152110) | #102 | |
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Sounds like it's time for WEC to put some 'mild diplomatic pressure' on Toyota to add a few boxes to the Fuji pitlane. The track itself is long and wide enough to host 40+ cars and there's sufficient amount of time to finish the construction project well be before the 2024 race.
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DSC said: "It is worth saying that as things currently stand, DSC would expect a minimum of seven potential two-car teams from different makes, with the potential for tough choices to be made about the available slots on the grid for significantly more manufacturers than that"
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I was wondering about Super Taikyu. They regularly have big fields
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Are we sure the number of pitboxes is limiting the WEC grid size? I know in the past it was the amount of space in the cargoplane that was the limit. |
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More cars in WEC less spaces available for Le Mans and then people will complain that their favourite team did not get an entry. These are not simple solutions and a capping on entries in WEC are needed. |
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The garage space probably isn't the limiting factor, considering DSC reported there is something like 128 cars at Barcelona this weekend for the first round of ELMS and its support series. |
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Would (sea) freight not also be a factor potentially limiting the WEC grid size? Perhaps at the moment, the logistics just work out, but it needs a significant increase for an extra cargo ship* to make sense financially.
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22 Apr 2023, 16:39 (Ref:4152504) | #113 | |
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Think they have a deal now with one of the ME airlines for air freight but I think there's still a space limitation that they are close to if not at.
Don't forget that the ACO, I think, still gets to decide on LM invites and they seem to enjoy, as do many fans, the extra LM cars so they will want to limit the WEC teams so they can add on. But that's still only halfish so there's a bit of wiggle room there |
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9 May 2023, 21:19 (Ref:4155302) | #114 | |
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I wanted ACO to go GT3 but its starting to sound like there are going to be an awful lot of unhappy drivers/teams. If the 20+ Hypercar grid does end up happening then maybe you can split Hypercar & LMP2 from GT3 and have 2 separate races?
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It will be interesting to see how this is managed. Will we see a Honda GT3 in WEC before we see a Honda Hypercar?
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10 May 2023, 13:54 (Ref:4155396) | #117 | |
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Yeah, I'm also not sure what they ACO wants. Could a true semi-works project be what they want entered over a full privateer?
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10 May 2023, 14:05 (Ref:4155397) | #118 | |
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Don't think it's worth setting up a separate thread but I'd be interested to know which manufacturers people would pick for the GT3 grid. Feels a bit finger in the air still on exact numbers. But let's say 20 Hypercars, 16 GT3s (8 teams) to make up a 36-car grid.
Which 8 would you invite? And why? Feel free to add teams too to run the cars. I'll make my picks later. |
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Well it looks like Mercedes-AMG are exploring FIA WEC & ELMS LMGT3 options:-
https://www.dailysportscar.com/2023/...3-options.html Also Aston Martin are still hoping to Secure LMGT3 Grid Places https://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/...3-grid-places/ It will be interesting to see who is on the grid next year. |
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10 May 2023, 14:29 (Ref:4155407) | #120 | |
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38 cars on the full season entry list this year. Assuming the same number for next season as demands will only increase!
20-22 Hypercars 16-18 GT3 Manufacturers already in HY: 1) Porsche 2) Ferrari 3) GM (Corvette) 4) BMW (starting 2024) 5) Lamborghini (starting 2024) -) Toyota (Lexus. IMSA car available but not likely to be entered on world stage) 6) Aston Martin (longtime GT entrant) 7) Honda (if they join the HY class it's a guarantee) 8) McLaren or Mercedes (or both depending on Honda, see above) 9?) see 8. If more Hypercar entries are to surface, start scratching from the bottom. Not rocket science to be honest - but also not betting on the WEC to be transparent. |
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10 May 2023, 14:30 (Ref:4155408) | #121 | |
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It feels like we will see
Porsche-pick a squad Ferrari-AF Corse but others out there if they're busy Corvette-PM cause well Aston Martin-Heart of Racing seems likely Lamborghini-don't know the teams running enough to call MB-same as Lamborghini Ford-Multimatic maybe or M-Sport takes it for them, most likely to try for 2025 over their debut season but who knows, and the bosses have stated a desire to be at LM again Most likely entries above with McLaren, Honda, and BMW, longshot of Lexus to get a Euro team interested, to fight out the last one. Assuming no one would pick up, or ACO allow the long in the tooth Audi, Bentley, or Nissans, although don't the Bentley and Nissan homologations expire soon? |
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10 May 2023, 14:34 (Ref:4155409) | #122 | |
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Dang, I forgot about Ford!
surely they'll jump Aston Martin in the queue? |
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10 May 2023, 18:21 (Ref:4155441) | #123 | |
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I would think both have a reasonable chance, Aston has been around a while. Ok ok, they kinda screwed everyone with the Valkyrie but GT has been a fairly consistent program
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I would say these 5 manufacturers will definitely be in LMGT3 due to them being in Hypercar as well in 2024:
- Porsche - Ferrari - BMW - Corvette (since both Cadillac and Corvette are part of GM) - Lamborghini If certain GT teams are adament about being on the grid, it wouldn't surprise me if they would switch to these manufacturers due to their parent or sub company being in Hypercar 2024: - Lexus (if the GT team can persuade Toyota to let them) - Nissan (since Alpine falls under the Renault–Nissan–Mitsubishi Alliance) If Honda approves entering the WEC Hypercar class: - Honda Then there are GT teams of manufacturers who aren't in Hypercar, but expressed desire to enter LMGT3. In order of likelihood I would say: - Ford (too big of a manufacturer to deny in their return to GT racing while publicly expressing desire to return to Le Mans) - Aston Martin (has been loyal to the GT class for years) - Mercedes-AMG (also too big of a manufacturer to deny, however they don't have the history of Ford nor the loyalty of Aston Martin) - McLaren (I just don't see them getting the nudge over Mercedes) - Audi (discontinued their Hypercar/LMDh project and is most likely stopping customer support) |
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10 May 2023, 19:37 (Ref:4155464) | #125 | |
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Thought Audi had announced they were stopping the R8 support and drivers recently.
Has the Nissan been updated in a while? Think I read somewhere that it is the oldest streetcar without an update in production and doesn't seem like the GT-R is really big in GT racing. |
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