Frank Gardner's SCA Camaro - Page 5

Camaroz · 15 Oct 2004, 15:31 (Ref:1125336)

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Originally posted by Bruce302
Camaroz
The Trans Tasman reunion will be for the cars that originally raced in the sedan races that involved the great tintops from your country and mine. I need some where to thrash the Firebird with out being embarrassed by aluminium big block 60's cars built in the last few years, as much as i like them. You in ?

Ohhh....

OK

Camaroz · 15 Oct 2004, 15:33 (Ref:1125340)

Quote:

Originally posted by Frank de Jong
Sorry, don't know what happened with the mk2 Camaro.

Thanks for the response.

Cheers.

thunder road · 28 Oct 2004, 04:08 (Ref:1138493)

camaroz/steve holmes/bruce302;check out this new thread,HISTORIC MOTORSPORT VIDEO PRODUCTION,(UNDER NEW POSTS)this guy requires your collective input/knowledge/b*&(^%##~t,sounds like a great project,mj

Camaroz · 6 Nov 2004, 10:03 (Ref:1146011)

Thunder,

Did you get the colour shots of the Gardner car in NZ?

Looks like when they painted it after Germany, they left the front and rear sections in Jagermeister (red) orange.

Milan Fistonic · 28 Nov 2004, 02:36 (Ref:1165956)

This piece is from Motoring News in June 1971.

Frank Gardner's win at Hockenheim last week in the SCA Freight Camaro brought him a fantastic new class lap record of 2m 22.6s. The car has been built into a racer from a rusting shell, and has only had five races.

Camaroz · 29 Nov 2004, 10:18 (Ref:1166896)

Quote:

Originally posted by Milan Fistonic
This piece is from Motoring News in June 1971.

Frank Gardner's win at Hockenheim last week in the SCA Freight Camaro brought him a fantastic new class lap record of 2m 22.6s. The car has been built into a racer from a rusting shell, and has only had five races.

This is a most interesting piece of info Milan!

Those SCA guys (Mark Le Sueur and Norman Lockwood and Frank of course) must have searched Europe to find a four year old rusting shell of a Camaro to put all of the running gear out of a perfectly good Group 2 Camaro race car, swap the built in cage from the existing car to the rusting shell and virtually clone the race car Adrian Chambers had just bought from Bill Shaw!!!!

Unless ......... they did build another car (a Camaro)!!!! I have not read or heard of any reference to another 1st Gen SCA Camaro.

There is a guy in the UK that has a 67 Camaro race car and does not know of it's origins other than it was at some stage connected with a mob called "Curley's Coachworks" and there has been some talk that the car may have run in (or came from) Germany.

Milan, do you have any more history on the car in the 1971 article? Any photo's? Was the 1971 car a Jagermeister sponsored car?

PS. My car has been verified as the ex-Bobby Brown/Malcolm Wayne/Mike Kearon/Bill Shaw/Adrian Chambers (Gardner driven)/Bob Jane/ John Pollard/Bernie Watt car.

Cheers.

Formula 5000 · 29 Nov 2004, 22:59 (Ref:1167525)

Cameroz I do not doubt what you say but if you have traced the lineage of your car what are the origins of the present Bob Jane 427 Camaro. Did he have 2 or is his present one a replica?
Yours is a fantastic machine and remember seeing John Pollard ( who had a hot mini beating Corolla) try to control it.

cavvy · 30 Nov 2004, 12:20 (Ref:1167964)

Quote:

Originally posted by Formula 5000
what are the origins of the present Bob Jane 427 Camaro.
Did he have 2 or is his present one a replica?

Jane - Smith - Bayliss - Tydell (drags) - Jane.

2 cars, the 2nd was used for drags._

Camaroz · 30 Nov 2004, 12:40 (Ref:1167989)

Thanks Cavvy,

F5000. Bob bought out two ZL1 Camaro's (of 68? built). One for Circuit and the other for Drags (as per Cavvy's advice). Thunder Road knows what happened to the Drag Car (totalled in a road smash I think) but Bob's car is the dead set genuwineee article!!! and the only ZL1 to not only take a National Motor Sport Championship anywhere in the World, but two of them (ATCC 1971-72).

Chris - Melb · 1 Dec 2004, 09:32 (Ref:1168735)

The Jane Camaro was run by Glen? Nichols at some stage:
http://www.autopics.com.au/cache/ite....html?cache=no

Camaroz, I did a search of "Camaro" at Autopics and discovered pics of your car driven by Frank Gardner at Sandown and Warwick Farm.

I thought I remembered seeing the car blowing an engine in practice at Sandown and DNS the races, but I am obviously wrong.

Did it expire in one of the races?

Camaroz · 1 Dec 2004, 13:34 (Ref:1168971)

Chris,

Auto Action race reports have Gardner completing both races but he did 'fall off' in the second race and dropped from 2nd to 5th!

New info (from Steve Holmes) also has the car going back to NZ in mid 73 under lease to Paul Fahey who had a shot at the NZ title if he could run the final round. Fahey had lost his drive in the PDL Mustang for some reason. Story goes that the Camaro ended up with a cracked head and block and Coppins won the Title in the Firebird.

Bruce302 · 1 Dec 2004, 17:03 (Ref:1169121)

Fahey in the Gardner Camaro ? I don't remember that, but it was a while back.
Steve will have to tell us more.,
Did Fahey actually race the Camaro or was it a total DNS. And if it raced, can we see some pics.
Camaroz, that car of yours sure has done a lot of off track miles.

Steve Holmes · 1 Dec 2004, 18:34 (Ref:1169205)

I stumbled over a couple of short pieces in the April 1973 issue of NZ Autonews when I was looking for info on another story. Details are a bit sketchy. The meeting in question is at Pukekohe. I'd place it around Feb/March when the Mustang first showed up painted green, as it was still yellow when Moffat, Gardner, Geoghegan etc came for the Bay Park and Puke meets in January.

"When it was discovered that the block and one cylinder head in the ex Gardner Camaro were cracked Paul Fahey's attempt at winning the 1972/73 Bank of New South Wales Series evaporated. To have a sporting chance of taking the title Fahey had to win the final three rounds"

And then this....

"The PDL team caused a sensation when they towed the Mustang into the pits looking as sharp as a tack in its new coat of (green) paint and Graham Bakers name on the side replacing Paul Fahey. In an effort to wrest the BNSW championship Fahey had arranged to lease the Camaro that Frank Gardner ran at Bay Park and Pukekohe earlier this year. Gardner has sold the car to Australian Bob Jane but a cracked cylinder head and block was found and Fahey was a non starter."

racing fxgt · 6 Dec 2004, 00:54 (Ref:1171861)

Found this site
http://www.racecarsdirect.com/cars/d...id=15106&cat=0
Ex Bobby Brown,Frank Gardner SCA Camaro for sale.

Al Weyman · 6 Dec 2004, 13:40 (Ref:1172283)

The one at the bottom is Camaroz's car surely??

Bruce302 · 9 Dec 2004, 07:28 (Ref:1175024)

They are all the same car in it's various guises, starting with Bobby Brown in the Trans Am series, to Frank Gardner in the SCA livery in the UK touring car series, (then I have a gap where a couple didn't load) then in the pits at Pukekohe, and finally as the car is now, which is how it raced under John Pollard in Australia.
Any takers ?

Al Weyman · 9 Dec 2004, 07:55 (Ref:1175046)

It is exactly the same photo as CAmaroz posted of his car????????

spunkwinkle · 18 Apr 2006, 13:53 (Ref:1587676)

Just discovered this thread and am amazed at the knowledge of Milan Fistonic. Is there any chance mate that u could get me a list of the race winners for the the 71/72 BTCC seasons?

It is something i have been looking for....

Jeremy Jackson · 25 Apr 2006, 15:19 (Ref:1594710)

If Milan can't, hope this helps...

1971:
March 21; John Fitzpatrick Escort RS
April 9; (1300cc at Oulton Park)Dave Matthews Escort GT; (over 1300cc at Snett) Brian Muir Camaro
April 12; Brian Muir Camaro
May 8; Brian Muir Camaro
May 30 Brian Muir Camaro; Vince Woodman Escort GT
June 5; Frank Gardner Camaro
July 11; Frank Gardner Camaro
July 17;Brian Muir Camaro
Aug 22; Brian Muir Camaro
Aug 30; John Fitzpatrick Escort RS
Sept 26; Brian Muir Camaro; Jon Mowatt Cooper S
Oct 24; Gerry Birrell Capri RS2600

1972:

Mar 19; Frank Gardner Camaro Z28
mar 30: Brian Muir Capri RS2600
Apr 3: Frank Gardner Camaro Z28
Apr 23: Frank Gardner camaro
May 28: Brian Muir Capri RS2600; Jonathan Buncombe Cooper S
July 15: Frank Gardner Camaro Z28
Sept 16 Frank Gardner Camaro Z28
Oct 1: Frank Gardner Camaro Z28;Jonathan Buncombe Cooper S
Oct 22: Frank Gardner Camaro Z28

The TT in 1972 also counted as a championship event, won by the Mass/Glemser Capri.

spunkwinkle · 27 Apr 2006, 14:38 (Ref:1596284)

Wow! Where did u get those results?
I have been looking for stuff like that for ages!
Have you got any more of those type of results for other years?

I saw a list of winners for manufacturers, and Chevrolet were near the top. I knew they were not successful in the 80's and 90's. But how successful were they during the 70's!

Jeremy Jackson · 27 Apr 2006, 18:37 (Ref:1596440)

I've got results up the end of 1973 (i.e. the end of Group 2) in my database, but hardly anything from 1974-6. The Group 1 Camaros were dominant, until the 3000cc limit came in at the end of 1975. I've still to update my data from approx. '78 to '88, which is still incomplete anyway...

Frank de Jong · 27 Apr 2006, 20:22 (Ref:1596526)

Hi Jeremy,

what's the earliest you've got in your database? I've just received 1960 data which will find its way to my site as soon as I've finished my current bunch of 1975 (non-BTCC) data. I don't have a clue about the 1960 points system - and on the net you'll be able to find points totals for every year - except 1960...

Jeremy Jackson · 27 Apr 2006, 21:47 (Ref:1596567)

Hi Frank,

By choice I started at 1967, since that's the first year I had any Autosport reports from, and any decent memory of. Although I have some (memory that is!) of 1966, it wasn't enough to do anything constructive with! And I think all I have in terms of "reports" was Autosport's Seasonal survey.

spunkwinkle · 28 Apr 2006, 02:58 (Ref:1596667)

Jeremy,

I would love to have a look at your reports.
I have been collecting the Australian Touring Car Championship Stats for many years now.
I have also used alot of Frank's site to improve my own database on the ATCC, DTM, ETCC, and WTCC.
To have the BTCC would be great!

As an aside, thanks Frank for a great site, I love the entire thing!

Spunk.

Frank de Jong · 28 Apr 2006, 08:15 (Ref:1596755)

Yeah Jeremy, put them on the net! Aternatively, let me put them on the net ;-)

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