[WEC] Alpine Sportscar Discussion

[Pandamasque]

Well, I hope they don't start the race like Rebellion did... was it last year with a stupid first lap crash?

[chernaudi]

Last three single car team wins were McLaren in '95, Joest in '97 and Goh in '04.

[canaglia]

Originally Posted by joeb

I think they did acquire a second R13, but it must have been for spares.

I agree with you though, it is much harder to win with only one entry. Speaking of that, when was the last time Le Mans was won overall by a single car entry? My best guess is Team Goh in 2004. But before that was it a McLaren?

if I recall correctly in 1987 porsche fielded 3 rothmans 962c, one didn't qualify, the second 962c had an engine failure after just few laps leaving porsche with only #17 for the whole race. #17 won the race

[joeb]

Originally Posted by chernaudi

Last three single car team wins were McLaren in '95, Joest in '97 and Goh in '04.

I had a feeling it was going to be an Audi R8, because they were in the hands of privateers for a time but since then we have only had factory winners who fielded multiple cars.

[Mike E]

'Toyota Gazoo Racing Europe technical director Pascal Vasselon believes that the reduction in energy for the Alpine A480 Gibson was not a Balance of Performance adjustment but rather a “correction of a mistake” by the the FIA and ACO that will primarily affect the car’s refueling time.

“It looks like a mistake,” Vasselon told Sportscar365. “It has an importance on the refueling time as the refueling is proportional to the energy you consume. If you are allocated too much energy you don’t consume it and the refueling time will be reduced. We expect it to have an impact on their refueling time.”'

https://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/...ay-notebook-6/

[canaglia]

Originally Posted by Mike E

'Toyota Gazoo Racing Europe technical director Pascal Vasselon believes that the reduction in energy for the Alpine A480 Gibson was not a Balance of Performance adjustment but rather a “correction of a mistake” by the the FIA and ACO that will primarily affect the car’s refueling time.

“It looks like a mistake,” Vasselon told Sportscar365. “It has an importance on the refueling time as the refueling is proportional to the energy you consume. If you are allocated too much energy you don’t consume it and the refueling time will be reduced. We expect it to have an impact on their refueling time.”'

https://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/...ay-notebook-6/

honestly who could vasselon complain about alpine refuel time when he is aware alpine is going will need to refuel more times than them anyhow?

[Adam43]

The refuelling time is proportional to the energy used in the previous stint anyway.
http://fiawec.alkamelsystems.com/Res...d_28042021.pdf
See decision number 2.

This brings it more in line with what the Alpine can actually do, but surely they had shorter stops anyway?

Of course for Toyota they were stopping for the full 35s anyway.

[canaglia]

in my previous post I was meaning
"how could vasselon complain etc.."
and btw I used two times and two different kind of future in the same sentence.
My bad, I write too fast and don't check to before post

[philipp]

Does anybody knows when/if Alpine is going to make some kind of pronunciation about their future on WEC?

[Aysedasi]

No idea. Just before the race - say Friday, is a traditional time......

[Adam43]

And we expecting them to commit? Did I read that a few days ago on here?

And potentially ask for another year of running the current car before full entry in 2023.

EDIT: I just needed to look up a little.

Originally Posted by hondafan37

Alpine F1 Car Set To Display At Le Mans 24 Hours
Hypercar class announcement looms.

http://www.dailysportscar.com/2021/0...-24-hours.html

[Mike E]

They are making a big noise turning up with their F1 car so they must be announcing something and there is no way they could be ready with a new car for next year.

[Pandamasque]

I guess the time of announcement depends on when the demo lap by Alpine F1 takes place. They'll probably want to use the media from the lap in the announcement materials. There's an item on the time table that says "Act commerciales - Track Laps from Chapelle to Ford Chicane" set to take place at 2 PM on Saturday (25 mins). Is it that?

[Adam43]

Boo. I was, unrealistically, hoping for a hot lap.

[Pandamasque]

It would be cool to see F1 and P1 do a demo run side by side! But on a Saturday that would be too disruptive for Signatech's race day prep, even if they use a spare R13.

It would also be quite ironic, since the "hypercar" is a rebadged Rebellion and the F1 car will likely be an older Renault rebadged as Alpine due to testing ban

Not to mention that even the current Alpine F1 cars use 2-year old Renault chassis.

[tux]

Unlikely to happen now.

https://twitter.com/johndagys/status...416060936?s=20

[Adam43]

Boo again.

[joeb]

Originally Posted by Adam43

Boo again.

That is unfortunate, but if true, hopefully it is just pushing back an announcement and not program jeopardy.

[Pandamasque]

Yet to see any detail or even confirmation of this from another source.

[Pandamasque]

Originally Posted by Pandamasque

I guess the time of announcement depends on when the demo lap by Alpine F1 takes place. They'll probably want to use the media from the lap in the announcement materials. There's an item on the time table that says "Act commerciales - Track Laps from Chapelle to Ford Chicane" set to take place at 2 PM on Saturday (25 mins). Is it that?

Saturday event confirmed. Alonso and Ocon involved.
https://www.24h-lemans.com/en/news/2...-le-mans-55406

[Adam43]

Cool. Are they going the wrong way

[S griffin]

Originally Posted by Adam43

Cool. Are they going the wrong way

Can you imagine if they did?

[Pandamasque]

Originally Posted by Adam43

Cool. Are they going the wrong way

Nah. They're just going to have a 1 on 1 race in reverse!

[Adam43]

Below is a comparison of the driver performance for the two cars at Le Mans.

The chart shows the average lap time of each driver and how that develops by their fastest laps. i.e. who is more consistent.

Lapierre had the fastest lap, was much more consistent and had the bulk of the laps.

The other were within 0.5s of Lapierre's fastest lap, but average of the fastest 10 laps Lapierre was a good second faster.
After that Negrao's consistency was about grew slowly to 1.5s behind Lapierre by the top 50 and Vaxiviere was another 0.9s slower than Negrao.

Driver	Fastest Lap		Ave. Top 10		Ave. Top 50
Nicolas LAPIERRE	3:28.994	0.000	3:29.921	0.000	3:30.848	0.000
André NEGRÃO	3:29.478	0.484	3:30.950	1.029	3:32.374	1.526
Matthieu VAXIVIERE	3:29.454	0.460	3:30.856	0.935	3:33.267	2.419

When the average lap time drops off it will be down to how many laps they did with slow zones, FCY, SC etc...

[Tique]

Alpine is commiting to LMH from 2024 for 4 years. Pretty good news. First time ever that Peugeot and Renault will compete in thé same Championship. I wonder if thé A480 will be allowed to compete untul there…


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