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And just because a car has a shiny paintjob with a "name" sponsor doesn't mean anything. Target is on the ganassi cars but the money to run that team really comes from it's nascar operations.
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Do you work in Chip's accounting staff?
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While I would be the last one to pass on BBQ, my point is that Sonny's is not Target, however Chip does the accounting. Further, since Coyne owns a number of franchises is it possible he is actually self-promoting using space that would otherwise be vacant on his car? I would go a step further to say that there must be some sort of quid pro quo between Target and Chip re: the IRL car branding as there would seem to be a number of liability issues involved. I don't think you can just go around using registered trademarks to name things, if you get my drift.
Those "name" sponsors in the IRL are not just hanging around out of habit. They stay because they get perceived value from their investment. So no, I am not blinded by pretty paint jobs. Red Bull would have signage in Europe - it is their home territory. Question: Since this was the first Euro swing for CC, how can you tell they "increased their signage?" Increased over what? |
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I guess they mean increased over their US exposure but as you say Europe is their home so of course they did that. I'm not really sure of the relevance to this thread but at least Red Bull are on board and being supportive.
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mountainstar, there's no question in my mind that Target has a "blanket" racing deal for the Ganassi NASCAR and IRL operations, but the NASCAR team paying for the Indycar team? Maybe Floyd Ganassi Sr.'s barge business in Pittsburgh is paying for both of them. I don't know. And I don't think you do, either. Link or are you Chip's accountant?
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That blanket agreement covers both NASCAR and IRL. However if the NASCAR team goes away, so will the sponsorship. If the IRL team goes away, Target may only reduce the number of dollars spent on sponsorship. The sponsor deal hinges on the NASCAR side of the operation NOT the IRL side. |
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I guess the theory being floated is that Champcar teams need to start a NASCAR team to be viable then? Something Gentilozzi apparently needs to look into.
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First, Tony, the Target open-wheel sponsorship came first, going back to Ganassi's CART days.
Then mountainstar, it wasn't me who claimed Ganassi's NASCAR operation paid for his IRL operation. It was you. Also, Ganassi has a partner in his NASCAR operation in Felix Sabates. Not so in his IRL operation. |
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Well, I certainly can't claim Ganassi's accountant as a source and I've never seen a quote from him/her or Ganassi about it. Add an IMO to your statement and we'll discuss it on equal terms.
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Yes, Ganassi had Target sponsorship since the 1990 (I think it was 1990), however times have changed since the split in open wheel racing. I have no direct knowledge of Ganassi's finance. But it does make sense if Ganassi were to divest himself of his NASCAR operations then Target would probably drop Ganassi or greatly reduce their sponsorship level of the remaining open wheel team. The ability of Target to be involved with a NASCAR operation is worth FAR more than being involved with the Ganassi open wheel operation. When Ganassi joined up with Felix Sabates, it was Sabates that was having the financial problems. Selling part of his operation to Ganassi is what kept that team going. |
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Yes, time have changed.....and Target's still on Ganassi's Indy cars.
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..and I guess since they had leftover paint they put it on his Grand Am cars at Daytona...along with some other races, I believe...
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Don't want to come over all Moderator-ish here and that's all very interesting but can we perhaps keep this thread to the relevance of the cancellation of Phoenix to CCWS's present and future.
What Target's sponsorship covers and indeed whether CCWS offers a viable sponsorship proposal at all is a topic for another thread and one about which there is unlikely to be any consensus. |
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Fair comment, Mystery - not at all inappropriate! Sorry to have gotten carried away with that.
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Both Phoenix and CC have said the Phoenix cancellation doesn't affect Vegas, but signs are starting to point that it does or will in some form.
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Which signs IndyCool?
Miller wrote something on the subject which is very thought provoking. There is huge potential with the Vegas event, so hopefully there is enough of a carrot there for Jensen and co to give version 2 a real crack |
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1. The promoter lost a LOT of money -- I've heard everything from $9-19 million. After doing that, is it a surprise they canceled Phoenix?
2. Construction in the area of the race course is ongoing for a new health center right where one set of bleachers was for this year for one, plus other projects. 3. The downtown casinos saw no change from their business on race weekend and actually complained they lost when the track didn't get torn down by Monday and people couldn't even reach downtown easily. 4. Jim Freudenberg recently told the LV City Council that the promoter couldn't pay its bill to the city yet because CC hadn't paid them (what payment CC would be making to the promoter is conjecture and ??). 5. There is already talk -- and it's on a board or two -- that an area around the Thomas and Mack Center at UNLV is being scoped and considered as a new venue. IMO, shutting down a major artery like Tropicana (when traffic is terrible for stuffing 16,000 into that arena for a boxing match) and/or Swenson to find room to race around UNLV dormitories....IMO, someone's out of their minds. |
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