[Rules] Grosjean banned for Monza

[OZ_HCR32]

And I will add one more thing...Spa is a little unusual in that you need to be in a good position in La Source as you are on the loud pedal for something like 23 seconds so you lose or gain spots based on how well you can get into turn 1. So Spa has more start problems than other races

[Beetle]

Originally Posted by OZ_HCR32

Way too harsh a penalty. I dont think there was any malice in it. Romain got a good start and was perhaps getting too creative trying to get to the inside...NO WAY he deserves a ban for it.

It was a mistake, but an easy one to make. It was a messy racing incident. At most a 10 place penalty. Other have been far sillier with moves, some intentional and no bans. I think Lotus can count themselves very unlucky.

Based on this stewards decision I am guessing Schuey and Heikki are going to be in trouble with their pit lane investigations

He does deserve a ban for it. Look at how reckless he's been this season.

It just kind of "serves him right" given his, for lack of a better term, stupid behavior this year. He's fast, but he sure isn't reliable. Although, Grosjean supporters can rest on their laurels by Senna's famous quote: "And if you no longer go for a gap that exists, you're no longer a racing driver, because we are competing." One of my personal favorites. But I hope people don't use this as an excuse for him dive-bombing practically the whole field in such a dangerous fashion.

[Purist]

There was no danger of him careering into those guys up front until he and Hamilton came together. There was no "divebomb" as such.

[luke g28]

Originally Posted by Purist

There was no danger of him careering into those guys up front until he and Hamilton came together. There was no "divebomb" as such.

There was no danger of him hitting anybody until he hit another car and lost control. I wholeheartedly agree.

[MGDavid]

Originally Posted by luke g28

There was no danger of him hitting anybody until he hit another car and lost control. I wholeheartedly agree.

paraphrased as 'there was no danger of him hitting somebody until he hit somebody'
- you may wish to review your position?

[Razor]

Another angle :

[BootsOntheSide]

The lack of consistency is worrying. Hard not to suspect that the only reason why Maldonado hasn't been punished as severely for any of his wild and dangerous driving is because Grosjean doesn't bring interest from a new market or oil money. I'd agree that not enough is being done to maintain driving standards in GP2 or GP3, which is where fast-but-wild guys should be rounding out their rougher edges.

[Marbot]

Having watched both the Belgian GP2 Feature race and the Sprint race, I don't hold out too much hope of driving standards improving in GP2, any time soon.

In MotoGp, the Moto2 competitors are nicknamed 'The Axe-murderers', and with good reason.

[luke g28]

Originally Posted by MGDavid

paraphrased as 'there was no danger of him hitting somebody until he hit somebody'
- you may wish to review your position?

Im afraid that was the point I was making

[Peter Mallett]

Don't be afraid.

I think it's a shame that RG has demonstrated these aberrations or lapses. He is a very skilled driver and when he applies himself he is seen to be a very competent peddler. I certainly rate him higher than Maldonado. In fact he is closer to Massa in terms of capability and thus hopefully has a reasonable future.

Nonetheless the ban is deserved.

[QnickFTW]

Originally Posted by Peter Mallett

In fact he is closer to Massa in terms of capability and thus hopefully has a reasonable future.

You mean he is capable of producing over 10% of a top team's point tally and could end up in Indycar?

[Peter Mallett]

Touche. I was thinking in terms of Massa's development rather than Massa's current predicament.

[Jimmy Magnusson]

Have to say he's the most naturally talented driver I've seen in GP2 since Hamilton. Not on Lewis' level but closer than anyone else since.

[QnickFTW]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Magnusson

Have to say he's the most naturally talented driver I've seen in GP2 since Hamilton. Not on Lewis' level but closer than anyone else since.

How about Perez then? I mean I was a bit on the fence about him in GP2, but you gotta say he is more up for the job than Crashjean and Crashonaldo in F1 terms and his sheer speed is not too shabby either.

[Jimmy Magnusson]

Originally Posted by QnickFTW

How about Perez then? I mean I was a bit on the fence about him in GP2, but you gotta say he is more up for the job than Crashjean and Crashonaldo in F1 terms and his sheer speed is not too shabby either.

Swap GP2 for F3 and I would agree. There's seldom you see drivers actually race an F3 car but Perez was extremely impressive first in the National class and then almost taking the championship in the sole T-Sport car (which really shouldn't be possible against Carlin). Always felt he could have done more in GP2 though he seemed afflicted with all the bad luck in the world. With a season in F1 he is a bit ahead in the development curve but I've certainly always had more confidence in Grosjean on pure talent alone. Now he just needs to apply that. However, one shouldn't forget that Perez is a lot younger and still has a lot of room for development.

[MGDavid]

Originally Posted by luke g28

Im afraid that was the point I was making

apologies; put it down to age (mine) and the lack of a suitable smilie for irony

[F1Pete]

Going back to some comments where if the crash were involved the Mars or Cat cars nothing would have been said. Now that a Ferrari was involved and being closely linked to the maFIA I am not at all surprised about a race ban penalty. I thought it was going to be worse.

[chillibowl]

Alonso still has the lead in the championship and up too 200 points still up for grabs. maybe this one race/incident proves to be a decider...we wont know that until the end, but i dont think Ferrari or even Hamilton were the aggrieved party here. i think it was Sauber.

if i was a member of that team i would be screaming bloody murder and i would have sent someone up to the stewards office to demand some form of retribution.

[JeremySmith]

As much as I agree with the race ban there appears to be a real double standard taking place.. Why has PM not received the same punishment I wonder ??

Very odd...

[QnickFTW]

Originally Posted by JeremySmith

As much as I agree with the race ban there appears to be a real double standard taking place..

Double standard in PM's favor? Thats new

Originally Posted by JeremySmith

Why has PM not received the same punishment I wonder ??

Maybe for not causing a life threatening pile-up at the start resulting in 4 DNFs? Just a guess.

[Mr V]

Originally Posted by Marbot

Having watched both the Belgian GP2 Feature race and the Sprint race, I don't hold out too much hope of driving standards improving in GP2, any time soon.

Martin alluded to this fact during the race, how serene F1 seems in comparison.

Originally Posted by Marbot

In MotoGp, the Moto2 competitors are nicknamed 'The Axe-murderers', and with good reason.

They were all axe-murderers once (250s or Moto2), if they don't grow up, they won't stay in MotoGP.