FIA appoint Alonso his own Scrutineer for Brazil

[Osella]

apologies if someone has already said this - but in this vein, Trulli's treatment at
Renault alongside 'Nando (made that up meself!!) is surely due some FIA investigation. And didn't Lewis beat his team-mates in GP2 and F3 Euroseries? It's not too late to dig those up too...

[Go_For_Pole]

Originally Posted by Peter Mallett

Well I'm certainly losing the will to live with some of the crap I'm reading here. The FIA has no right to interfere in the inner workings of a team and if they do it because of journalistic influence then the entire organisation should be disbanded.

I am not quite sure your opinion would have been the same if the British driver was the one being treated unfairly Besides if McLaren are doing everything just like Ron claims then they have nothing to fear right?

[davyboy]

Originally Posted by Go_For_Pole

I am not quite sure your opinion would have been the same if the British driver was the one being treated unfairly

I don't think that's fair. This has nothing to do with the nationality of the driver nor is there any evidence to suggest that either driver has been treated unfairly. Please don't forget that policing parity among drivers within the same team it is not within the FIAs jurisdiction, nor has it ever been.

[Peter Mallett]

Er. When did nationality come into this?

Also as I said the FIA has no right to interfere in the internal management of a team and that is the case here.

[Ralf's Girl]

Originally Posted by davyboy

I don't think that's fair. This has nothing to do with the nationality of the driver nor is there any evidence to suggest that either driver has been treated unfairly. Please don't forget that policing parity among drivers within the same team it is not within the FIAs jurisdiction, nor has it ever been.

Absolutely right. Regardless of the drivers' nationalities, it's the FIA ignoring of the lack of any evidence to suggest any attempts on the part of McLaren to slow one driver down that I find really galling. It's another example, just like Hungary was, of the FIA interfering in team matters.

[Go_For_Pole]

Actually FIA already intefered in Hungary. If you recall their actions indirectly but clearly benefited Hamilton so an objective party would have more reason to complain for this case of interferance rather than a proactive action like this one which (assuming everything is right) benefits nobody. Surely people asking now for McLaren to be left alone did exactly the same back then, if not then they have a bias. And apologies if that offends you (as shown by the warning I received) but I can only see one reason for being biased about this and this is nationality. If you have another reason, I will be glad to hear it.

[Peter Mallett]

Originally Posted by Go_For_Pole

Actually FIA already intefered in Hungary. If you recall their actions indirectly but clearly benefited Hamilton so an objective party would have more reason to complain for this case of interferance rather than a proactive action like this one which (assuming everything is right) benefits nobody. Surely people asking now for McLaren to be left alone did exactly the same back then, if not then they have a bias. And apologies if that offends you (as shown by the warning I received) but I can only see one reason for being biased about this and this is nationality. If you have another reason, I will be glad to hear it.

Not sure you understand what's being said but if you go back to the Hungary thread, you'll see that the FIA's interference was criticised by everyone except Ferrari fans.

As you appear to be targetting my comments I'll also say that I thought Hamilton deserved a slap for his actions (from Ron) but Alonso was just plain unsporting and deserved a sanction.

I can't say whether I would have written the same if the roles were reversed because it was not the case, however unsporting behaviour from anyone is deplorable.

[Adam43]

Warning, what follows is a rant and does not necessarily represent the opinions of Ten-Tenths. (To be honest, it probably doesn't even represent the opinions of the poster when they aren't ranting.) Originally Posted by Go_For_Pole I am not quite sure your opinion would have been the same if the British driver was the one being treated unfairly You are only saying that because you are Greek One presumes the winky makes that OK. Crikey this nationality thing is tedious, especially when people's views are simply dismissed so easily and for such a poor reason. It is as bad, if not worse than being blindly nationalistic in the first place. We now return you to our normal ramblings.

[Nicholosophy]

So would it be reasonable for CAMS to request the FIA monitor RBR in how it treats Mark Webber? What about the Finnish Motorsport and Brazilian Motorsport bodies requesting independent scrutineers for each Ferrari driver?

The FIA is acting disgracefully by pandering to these unreasonable requests. Max Mosley should be charged with bringing the sport into disrepute.

[Go_For_Pole]

Originally Posted by Peter Mallett

Not sure you understand what's being said but if you go back to the Hungary thread, you'll see that the FIA's interference was criticised by everyone except Ferrari fans.

As you appear to be targetting my comments I'll also say that I thought Hamilton deserved a slap for his actions (from Ron) but Alonso was just plain unsporting and deserved a sanction.

Correct if I am wrong, you say that FIA was wrong to interfere in Hungary and then you say that LH actions should have been punished internally while FA actions should have been punished by FIA as they were unsporting?! If that is so then the fact that you condemn FIA for Hungary is a moot point, you actually do not. In my view either FIA should have not interfered and punish nobody or if they were to be involved they would have to punish both drivers and the team (that remember, deliberately tried to bury the incident with false claims). How can one be objective and find fair that only Alonso was punished is beyond me.

Also how can one be objective and call FIA's proactive involvement "a farce", "madness" or whatever? I have read the thread from the start out of curiousity because frankly I found it quite odd that over here this development is being discussed for so many pages. And to my surprise all I read were alligations and only a few posts of reason. On our local forums, ok it was mentioned but there was hardly that much of a fuss and surely nobody is calling FIA the mafia because they will try to give equal chances to both. So excuse me if I draw the wrong conclusion but either we Greeks are naive enough to stomach such a bad decision by FIA or your reaction about this is over the top and due to your support for LH.

[Peter Mallett]

Simply because Alonso impeded another competitor unfairly. At no time as far as I am aware, did Hamilton impede Alonso. He did disobey a team requirement, which makes it a management issue rather than a sporting issue. And that is for me the difference. As it happens some people here think that Alonso's actions were also management. So be it.

[JeremySmith]

It's all Greek to me, or is it double Dutch?

Leave nationality out of it Go_For_Pole It has nothing to do with anything..

[Go_For_Pole]

Originally Posted by Peter Mallett

Simply because Alonso impeded another competitor unfairly. At no time as far as I am aware, did Hamilton impede Alonso.

Impede is probably not the right word. LH stole FA's advantage and FA got even. To my book both did the same. Mind you after Hungary LH is always the first to line up for Q3 so that advantage that previously the team was giving in turns to both was all to LH's benefit.

[Ralf's Girl]

Originally Posted by Go_For_Pole

Impede is probably not the right word. LH stole FA's advantage and FA got even.

Hamilton didn't "steal" an advantage - he ignored a request from the team to move over and let him through. Alonso deliberately blocked him in the pits in retaliation. If you block somebody in qualifying, team-mate or not, you get a penalty for it and that's what happened in Alonso's case. What a lot of people objected to was the FIA punishing McLaren because how they deal with their drivers is their business, and controlling the treatment of drivers within a team isn't in the FIA's remit (although increasingly it seems as though it is ).

[Adam43]

Originally Posted by Go_For_Pole

Impede is probably not the right word. LH stole FA's advantage and FA got even. To my book both did the same.

I think that both situations should have been dealt with internally, however the two situations are clearly different.

Mind you after Hungary LH is always the first to line up for Q3 so that advantage that previously the team was giving in turns to both was all to LH's benefit.

Is this fact? It is not always an advantage, depends on the circuit and timing. And who's to say this isn't an agreement reached internally?

[brands]

Hamilton (along with both Kimi and Massa) will run fresh engines at Brazil while Alonso has to run the engine that completed the China GP, a reported 10bhp reduction in power......surely that's unequal treatment and the FIA must act against McLaren, Mercedes, Ferrari and itself

[Marbot]

Originally Posted by brands

Hamilton (along with both Kimi and Massa) will run fresh engines at Brazil while Alonso has to run the engine that completed the China GP, a reported 10bhp reduction in power......surely that's unequal treatment and the FIA must act against McLaren, Mercedes, Ferrari and itself

He can always opt to take a new engine and have a ten place grid penalty,which I'm sure that in the interests of fairness Lewis and Kimi will receive as well.

[Marbot]

It's all gone too far!

http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpa...s_art_id=33188

And also.

http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpa...s_art_id=33201

[Bononi]

Funny.

[Rgms320]

If anyone else has had their fill of Alonso's churlish behaviour, as have I, here's a change of pace to remind you that the F1, 2007 style, isn't (or wasn't) the norm:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikrLzSxXLR8

(Podium ceremony at Hockenheim 2000 with Rubens, Mika, and David)

[Go_For_Pole]

Originally Posted by AdamAshmore

Is this fact?

yes

Originally Posted by AdamAshmore

It is not always an advantage, depends on the circuit and timing.

not really. remember the effort made by both Mc and Ferrari to make cars that can get on the pit exit first and stay there. remember also that this advantage was alternating between the two until Hungary religiously.

Originally Posted by AdamAshmore

And who's to say this isn't an agreement reached internally?

do you really think that after all this mess there is anything that LH, FA and RD will agree?

I would love to continue defending my opinion but after some discussion with the CoC I have lost any interest.

[Bononi]

Originally Posted by Go_For_Pole

I would love to continue defending my opinion but after some discussion with the CoC I have lost any interest.

Ok.

[Peter Mallett]

Originally Posted by Go_For_Pole

I would love to continue defending my opinion but after some discussion with the CoC I have lost any interest.

Shame I found it quite comedic.

[Go_For_Pole]

[Osella]

Originally Posted by Rgms320

If anyone else has had their fill of Alonso's churlish behaviour, as have I, here's a change of pace to remind you that the F1, 2007 style, isn't (or wasn't) the norm:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikrLzSxXLR8

(Podium ceremony at Hockenheim 2000 with Rubens, Mika, and David)

This is a clear contravention of Schumacher's human rights. He was beaten in the fatherland by his own team-mate. A non-German. A classic case of the leftist media siding with the latin over an Aryan sorry Northern European.... I'm writing to one of Oswald Moseley's relatives to complain right now....

BUT seriously folks, someone (sorry too lazy and tired to find quote/authoritative link) did once do a study of North European and South European soccer game reports, and typically, NE commentators viewed their 'own' as honourable, hardworking and the SE opposition as emotional, immature and dishonest; whilst the SE commentators saw the NE teams as cold, heartless and inhumane while the SE teams were paragons of virtue. I do wonder if there is an element of this in the Lewis-Nando thing.