[Race] Mexico Grand Prix

[S griffin]

We did start to have a permanent steward from midway through the 00s. Why did that stop?

[chillibowl]

Originally Posted by S griffin

Why did that stop?

no one wants that thankless job and the scrutiny that comes from it?

[steve_r]

W€ll, I am $ure that somebod¥ could be persuaded to tak£ the job.

We ju$t n€€d to think of a $uitabl€ inc€entiv€. An¥ id€a$?

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by steve_r

W€ll, I am $ure that somebod¥ could be persuaded to tak£ the job.

We ju$t n€€d to think of a $uitabl€ inc€entiv€. An¥ id€a$?

Free travel, food and lodging and you get to watch the race for free, just for chaperoning and you get paid. That's not a bad deal.

[S griffin]

The only price is you could end up really unpopular

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by S griffin

The only price is you could end up really unpopular

Possibly but the upside of that is, you are fairly anonymous.

[Purist]

I'm reminded of how longtime CART Chief Steward Wally Dallenbach Sr. was almost NEVER mentioned during race broadcasts. And from the VERY few times he was mentioned, some things became pretty obvious; he communicated clearly, in simple, understandable terms, what he expected/demanded of drivers, and what penalties they could expect to get for what violations when they asked about a given issue.

And clarity and consistency will definitely cut down on drivers "cutting corners", and hoping they just won't get caught on that particular occasion.

[wnut]

Originally Posted by Purist

I'm reminded of how longtime CART Chief Steward Wally Dallenbach Sr. was almost NEVER mentioned during race broadcasts. And from the VERY few times he was mentioned, some things became pretty obvious; he communicated clearly, in simple, understandable terms, what he expected/demanded of drivers, and what penalties they could expect to get for what violations when they asked about a given issue.

And clarity and consistency will definitely cut down on drivers "cutting corners", and hoping they just won't get caught on that particular occasion.

His greatest strength I would bet was that he was fair and consistent, when the penalties are applied inconsistently in a random manner then the problems start in any sport.
When everybody knows what the rules are and the officiation is obviously fair and competent everyone is happy.
When there is a perception of bias, then the trouble starts.

[peterelise]

Originally Posted by RWill2073

Is it still too soon to call Verstappen the best driver in the field? I have all the confidence that he would give Hamilton or Vettel fits and probably beat them if on the same team.

Would have thought he'd need to be obviously better than his team mate before you could make an argument he was best in the field. Even taking out the impact of DNFs, Max is getting outscored by Dan for the 2nd year in a row



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[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by S griffin

We did start to have a permanent steward from midway through the 00s. Why did that stop?

Okay, so Mr Garry Connolly it is then.
Appoint him permanent steward.

Then issues on-track will be handled with technical accuracy in accordance with the literal interpretation of the rules.

No bad thing.

And will show the rules up as needing a review & revision

[Articus]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

So... if as you suggest RBR are the only team able to win with a Renault engine, why wouldn’t Red Bull manoeuvre the one destined for STR to the A team?

Or is that too logical?

What do you mean?

I don't think I've said anything out of the ordinary. What's logical is that Renault are trying to develop a better 2018 engine, and they do this by making the effort to get a new engine running in a 2017 race. STR is a RB B-Team. Renault have said they will give the best engines to Red Bull. Who exactly is losing out here? Everyone got what they wanted. If Ricciardo got the engine, he's taking a massive grid penalty because it's out of sequence. The new engine is here because Max needed another engine before Dan did.

[RWill2073]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Okay, so Mr Garry Connolly it is then.
Appoint him permanent steward.

Then issues on-track will be handled with technical accuracy in accordance with the literal interpretation of the rules.

No bad thing.

And will show the rules up as needing a review & revision

Max Verstappen would like a word...

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by Articus

What do you mean?

I don't think I've said anything out of the ordinary. What's logical is that Renault are trying to develop a better 2018 engine, and they do this by making the effort to get a new engine running in a 2017 race. STR is a RB B-Team. Renault have said they will give the best engines to Red Bull. Who exactly is losing out here? Everyone got what they wanted. If Ricciardo got the engine, he's taking a massive grid penalty because it's out of sequence. The new engine is here because Max needed another engine before Dan did.

There were apparently 3x 2018-spec Renaults around, one for each team. My question was, if RBR is considered the only one of the 3 teams that can win, why wouldn’t RBR pinch the other ‘18 engine from STR and put it in Mr Ricciardo’s car...

[wnut]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

There were apparently 3x 2018-spec Renaults around, one for each team. My question was, if RBR is considered the only one of the 3 teams that can win, why wouldn’t RBR pinch the other ‘18 engine from STR and put it in Mr Ricciardo’s car...

Renault engines want as much feed back from as many of their customers as possible?

[FIRE]

Because by contract Renault has to treat each team the same way so each get one engine?

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by FIRE

Because by contract Renault has to treat each team the same way so each get one engine?

Two of the teams have the same dad though...