S2000 replaced by tubechassis V8´s ?

[Speed-King]

Audi in BTCS

I think the A4 is tollerated (just looked at some pics, - they have belgianaudiclub.be stickers on the car) , but Audi didn't like the A3 in the second division as it is - quite frankly - pretty ugly. More or less an Opel Astra with an Audi grill.

[FIRE]

Originally Posted by Speed-King

I think the A4 is tollerated (just looked at some pics, - they have belgianaudiclub.be stickers on the car) , but Audi didn't like the A3 in the second division as it is - quite frankly - pretty ugly. More or less an Opel Astra with an Audi grill.

I mean the A3.
The A4 has official backing.

[Speed-King]

Originally Posted by FIRE

I mean the A3.
The A4 has official backing.

Doesn't that falsify your earlier statement about manufacturers not liking unauthorised silhouettes?
I think it's not necessarily a question about Europe or (Southern?)America, but more about the automarket conditions in the respective countries where the series run.

Germany is in a way a really bad example, as it is the home country of quite a number of automobile companies and a really big market. So the German market warrants full-fledged factory efforts and privateer efforts that make manufacturers look bad tend to do more harm than elsewhere.

In contrast, Belgium - or Denmark, for that matter - has no automobile manufacturers to speak of and the market for cars is also a lot smaller than in Germany, hence the importers can take the little money they have for racing activities and use it to support privateer teams.

In general, I think that Germany's strong position on the automotive market is more a curse than a blessing, as companies tend to take everything including racing very serious, whereas in smaller countries, there's more of a spirit of experimentation, enthusiams and "Open"-ness.

In a nutshell, I am not sure that manufacturers would inted try to stop the Danish from using their silhouettes. For the reasons I mentioned above, I think that V8STAR is really not a good example in that regard.

[V8 Fireworks]

Do touring cars need aerodynamics? The current bodykits (on 2000cc) are mainly for show aren't they. They look ridiculous, maybe the 'stock' look like BTCC 1991-1994 is better?

[Speed-King]

Originally Posted by V8 Fireworks

Do touring cars need aerodynamics? The current bodykits (on 2000cc) are mainly for show aren't they. They look ridiculous, maybe the 'stock' look like BTCC 1991-1994 is better?

You definitely need it when you are going for a tubeframe V8 approach. Not necessarily big rear wings, but a widebody-kit and a spoiler-lip are a good start.
Silhouette-cars are all about the spectacle. Remove the aero and the spectacle suffers.

[duke_toaster]

I think they ought to have some aero, it just is about a sensible aero level. The Super 2000 cars look OK for the cornering speed. The problem isn't the aero, it's the cost of spares.

However, if I was designing a set of rules from the ground up (well, these wouldn't be from the ground up as they would be based on another class) with 450hp and RWD (2.0 turbos, not V8s) I'd go for flat floors and wide bodies, but with large rear wings intended to be mainly for show.

[moonman]

I think the series need to be based on the most sold cars in Europe to get any big support from the manufacturers and it will all start from there. I doubt any siluette series will ever be sucessful.

[FIRE]

What about a single make chassis powered by different big V8 stock engines from the USA?

Ford: Ford Mondeo or Volvo S40 body
Chevrolet: Chevrolet Cruze or Opel/Vauxhall Insignia body
Dodge: Dodge Avenger or Alfa Romeo 159 body
Toyota: Toyota Avensis body

[duke_toaster]

Depends what for, manufacturers probably wouldn't want to advertise big V8s at an international level (lack of relevance and the greenies). That's why I suggest two litre turbos.

[FIRE]

I think the Danish V8 series isn't really interested in manufacturer support.

[V8 Fireworks]

Originally Posted by FIRE

What about a single make chassis powered by different big V8 stock engines from the USA?

Ford: Ford Mondeo or Volvo S40 body
Chevrolet: Chevrolet Cruze or Opel/Vauxhall Insignia body
Dodge: Dodge Avenger or Alfa Romeo 159 body
Toyota: Toyota Avensis body

Well they would be very fast that's for sure, nothing wrong with stuffing a big V8 into a small car...

[FIRE]

...
The V8 plans that the DTC organisation put forward earlier have been put on hold. The DTC organisation, with Peter Elgaard in front, is working closely with STCC for the future.
...

http://www.touringcartimes.com/news.php?id=4181

[V8 Fireworks]

Originally Posted by FIRE

What about a single make chassis powered by different big V8 stock engines from the USA?

Ford: Ford Mondeo or Volvo S40 body
Chevrolet: Chevrolet Cruze or Opel/Vauxhall Insignia body
Dodge: Dodge Avenger or Alfa Romeo 159 body
Toyota: Toyota Avensis body

With 2.0 turbo that could be good.

Spec chassis could keep the costs down if done right.

It would be cheaper and better to watch then DTM!

[Speed-King]

Looks like DTC really moved to V8 tube chassis eventually - and has been quite successful with that approach for a few years now.

Either way, the series is set for a minor shake up this year, as the organizers will make available two bodykits modeled after European cars for the new season:

"As Chevrolet and Ford presented its new 2016 models, it came with updated design of the two sports cars, and this design has our US supplier also been developed for our race cars, so that this year we can come to experience the new generation of Camaro- and Mustang models, "says Peter Elgaard from DTC series.

"In parallel with the development work in the United States we have since the autumn conducted a development here at home. Davinci Development in Billund has been responsible for creating two new bodies on the basis of two European vehicle models, so that this year we can present a DTC field with seven different bodies. "

Source: https://racemag.dk/nye-karrosserier-daek-dtc-ntcc/ (might need to hit your browser's translate button to get the English version)

Any guesses what those new bodies will be?

[FIRE]

Originally Posted by Speed-King

Looks like DTC really moved to V8 tube chassis eventually - and has been quite successful with that approach for a few years now.

Either way, the series is set for a minor shake up this year, as the organizers will make available two bodykits modeled after European cars for the new season:



Source: https://racemag.dk/nye-karrosserier-daek-dtc-ntcc/ (might need to hit your browser's translate button to get the English version)

Any guesses what those new bodies will be?

One part of me says keep the muscle car only bodykit. On the other hand it would be nice to have bodykits of Volvo S60, Opel Insignia, Ford Mondeo, Renault Talisman, etc.

[Speed-King]

Originally Posted by FIRE

One part of me says keep the muscle car only bodykit. On the other hand it would be nice to have bodykits of Volvo S60, Opel Insignia, Ford Mondeo, Renault Talisman, etc.

What would be really cool would be an Audi RS5 or something the like as a throwback to Audi's Trans-Am campaign in the 80s, but we know how closely Audi guards their intellectual property, so I really don't see a chance of that. If I had to guess, I'd say Insignia and Mondeo...

[Valker]

Peugeot has traditionally been in Danish motorsports, so I'd say one of the euro models is 508.

[FIRE]

Originally Posted by Valker

Peugeot has traditionally been in Danish motorsports, so I'd say one of the euro models is 508.

I was also assuming Insignia and Mondeo but 508 could also for the reason you gave.

[BertMk2]

Originally Posted by FIRE

One part of me says keep the muscle car only bodykit. On the other hand it would be nice to have bodykits of Volvo S60, Opel Insignia, Ford Mondeo, Renault Talisman, etc.

Isn't that sounding a lot like the V8 STAR series from a while back? Not saying it's a bad thing - some of those cars looked great (and sounded great obviously).

[Speed-King]

Originally Posted by Speed-King

What would be really cool would be an Audi RS5 or something the like as a throwback to Audi's Trans-Am campaign in the 80s, but we know how closely Audi guards their intellectual property, so I really don't see a chance of that. If I had to guess, I'd say Insignia and Mondeo...

Guess what? It is an Audi and it's UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGLY: http://www.dtc-motorsport.dk/nyheder...r-nye-koerere/

Second one is a Mercedes. Haven't found any good stills of that one, but from this video it looks a lot better than the Audi:
http://www.dtc-motorsport.dk/nyheder...icki-petersen/

[FIRE]

Without more photos it's difficult to judge but tend to agree with you.

[Valker]

The ugly one carries no Audi branding and seems to be called "DTC Model 4". The other one is has MB logos and is named "Mercedes look-a-like".

[Juntos]

Does this DTMish nordic series have a BMW too?

[Valker]

Originally Posted by Juntos

Does this DTMish nordic series have a BMW too?

If you mean the NEZ (FIA North European Zone) series, it's run under Swedish/Finnish regulations and hence only Camaro (Gen 5, Gen 6), Mustang (Gen 5, Gen 6) and Challenger (Gen 4) are allowed.