Renault possibly to quit F1 as well? - Page 5

jab · 29 Nov 2009, 18:06 (Ref:2591297)

They will not be the new Andrea Moda if they inherit the Toyota race team and the TF110. It will essentially be Toyota under Serbian management

Matador · 29 Nov 2009, 21:57 (Ref:2591410)

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Originally Posted by jab

They will not be the new Andrea Moda if they inherit the Toyota race team and the TF110. It will essentially be Toyota under Serbian management

Pretty much. It always struck me as odd that AFAIK there hasn't yet been a mass exodus of Toyota employees (bar the drivers) leaving for other squads and the like.

ECW Dan Selby · 30 Nov 2009, 10:19 (Ref:2591648)

http://www.crash.net/f1/news/155011/...enault_f1.html

Another step in the direction of Briatore F1 perhaps...

Selby

sizzle · 30 Nov 2009, 11:17 (Ref:2591672)

If that one plays out you would have to wonder how truly sorry or removed from the Singapore thing Renault really were.

JamesH · 30 Nov 2009, 11:21 (Ref:2591676)

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Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

*If Toyota do not have an entry next year they have an agreement with Ecclestone - they would have to pay him $150 million

Crivens!!! Who in their right minds gets in to a deal like that??????? BE should be bloody grateful people want to race in his series, not charge the Earth for people who can no longer afford to be in it.

Still, its Toyota's fault for agreeing to that sort of deal in the first place I guess.

If I were Toyota I'd just tell him to sod off. If BE then sued to get the cash, the publicity would go something like this...."We would have kept on the UK workforce, but unfortunately we had to give BE all the money for running the factory, so its his fault all you people are now unemployed - and of course, BE doesn't give a s**t about you guys - he only wants the money that would have kept you in a job"

Or something.

**Craig** · 30 Nov 2009, 14:45 (Ref:2591765)

Or they could simply have not committed to the series by signing the Concorde thingy. Just an idea. Why shouldn't they be made to pay?

I say let Renault feck off and let the ex Toyota and BMW teams back. Works for me. Last thing we need is Flavio back.

old man · 30 Nov 2009, 18:02 (Ref:2591837)

You just can't have people signing up to something with no penalty if they go back on the deal and the bigger the deal the bigger the penalty, simples! As Craig says, why sign in the first place, I am sure they knew what they were signing?

neiltb · 30 Nov 2009, 19:45 (Ref:2591885)

in the biiger picture, $150million to leave, isn't that around 6 months racing at their budget and the agreement was for 3 years. not cheap for sure, but compared to staying in? Now if they'd agreed to the cap!

Marbot · 30 Nov 2009, 19:54 (Ref:2591891)

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Now if they'd agreed to the cap!

ooh! don't get me started on that!

Matador · 1 Dec 2009, 01:42 (Ref:2592068)

They were racing on ~$250 million this year, with further cuts along the way for 2010. I recall comments being made that they (Toyota Motorsports GmbH) have enough money to turn up racing in Bahrain.. not sure how far through the season it would take them though. I'm guessing $150 million could take em halfway through 2011.

Marbot · 3 Dec 2009, 10:01 (Ref:2593300)

According to the French newspaper L'Equipe, Renault are going to quit and hand over the team to David Richards with possible backing from another "second tier" (Korean?) manufacturer.

We will announce something the day we have something to announce,” said a Priodrive spokesman yesterday. “Prodrive had its candidature turned down by the FIA for 2010, but would be ready to engage with F1 as long as it could be competitive and the business is viable.”

Sodemo · 3 Dec 2009, 10:10 (Ref:2593308)

Prodrive, Aston Martin?

Marbot · 3 Dec 2009, 10:14 (Ref:2593312)

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Originally Posted by Sodemo

Prodrive, Aston Martin?

Possibly, but here's a link that could explain more.

http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2009/1...e-under-study/

JeremySmith · 3 Dec 2009, 11:03 (Ref:2593330)

Good explanation and another reason why manufactures should supply engines and leave the racing to teams like Williams and Brawn...

VIVA GT · 3 Dec 2009, 11:28 (Ref:2593342)

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Originally Posted by JeremySmith

Good explanation and another reason why manufactures should supply engines and leave the racing to teams like Williams and Brawn...

Oh no! I'm agreeing with James Allen, but also you Jeremy, so that's OK.
Yes, you're right...

mickey29 · 3 Dec 2009, 13:35 (Ref:2593407)

http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2009/...o-buy-renault/

Joe Saward seems rather certain

Rgms320 · 3 Dec 2009, 13:45 (Ref:2593411)

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Originally Posted by mickey29

http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2009/...o-buy-renault/

Joe Saward seems rather certain

Let's hope that Uncle Dave keeps Kubica and, while he's at it, hires Kobiyashi. I really like the idea of that pairing.

Marbot · 3 Dec 2009, 14:44 (Ref:2593442)

There's a meeting today..........

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80424

jab · 3 Dec 2009, 14:53 (Ref:2593445)

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Originally Posted by Rgms320

Let's hope that Uncle Dave keeps Kubica and, while he's at it, hires Kobiyashi. I really like the idea of that pairing.

The rumour is that there's a clause in Kubica's contract that if Renault go, he goes. So I reckon he'll end up at Mercedes. Heidfeld will probably end up at Sauber, so I don't know who DR would pick

duke_toaster · 3 Dec 2009, 15:28 (Ref:2593459)

If it keeps the team going it's fine by me.

jab · 3 Dec 2009, 16:22 (Ref:2593480)

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Originally Posted by jab

The rumour is that there's a clause in Kubica's contract that if Renault go, he goes. So I reckon he'll end up at Mercedes. Heidfeld will probably end up at Sauber, so I don't know who DR would pick

I'll correct myself slightly as it's too late to edit - Kubica might end up at Mercedes. Obviously no guarantee there, as Haug apparently still likes Heidfeld and Kubica isn't German. You only have to look at the standings this year to see why it wouldn't necessarily be a straight-forward decision. It depends on how highly they rate Rosberg and whether they genuinely want him as team leader

blaffer · 3 Dec 2009, 16:38 (Ref:2593486)

More details about the unofficial Mangrove-Prodrive-Renault deal:

http://www.motorsport-total.com/f1/n..._09120318.html

duke_toaster · 3 Dec 2009, 17:08 (Ref:2593516)

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Originally Posted by jab

I'll correct myself slightly as it's too late to edit - Kubica might end up at Mercedes. Obviously no guarantee there, as Haug apparently still likes Heidfeld and Kubica isn't German. You only have to look at the standings this year to see why it wouldn't necessarily be a straight-forward decision. It depends on how highly they rate Rosberg and whether they genuinely want him as team leader

Do they actually want two Germans though?

jab · 3 Dec 2009, 17:20 (Ref:2593522)

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Originally Posted by duke_toaster

Do they actually want two Germans though?

All signs suggest so

**touringlegend** · 3 Dec 2009, 19:08 (Ref:2593576)

If Rosberg can realise his potential, then him and Kubica could be a very strong pairing, not far off what McLaren and Ferrari will have next year.

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