Driver One-hit wonders - Page 5

Lotusonpole · 30 Aug 2004, 11:22 (Ref:1081395)

"Alesi the unluckiest driver ever? I know this is a thread on one hit wonders, but there are drivers who NEVER won a GP who were more unlucky - Chris Amon anyone? "

Absolutely krt917...

Cheers
Peter

KevinS · 30 Aug 2004, 11:29 (Ref:1081401)

I think Fisichella has a chance to get moved off the list with his drive at Renault next year...

BootsOntheSide · 30 Aug 2004, 12:42 (Ref:1081492)

At a guess, Alonso will be removed from the list before Fisichella, and Button will be the next to join it, although I expect multiple wins for both he and Webber next year.

esorniloc · 6 Mar 2005, 18:46 (Ref:1244770)

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Originally Posted by KevinS

I think Fisichella has a chance to get moved off the list with his drive at Renault next year...

Quite right! Didn't take many races into his Renault drive to get removed.

Surely Alonso will also get removed soon as well??????????

BootsOntheSide · 6 Mar 2005, 19:00 (Ref:1244785)

Well done to Fisichella for moving past this list (before Alonso, contrary to what I expected). Alonso should be gone from the list soon though, but Webber and Button might both now be lucky to simply get onto it, and in no position to think about moving back off it.

**Peter Mallett** · 6 Mar 2005, 20:23 (Ref:1244884)

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Originally Posted by KevinS

30 Aug 2004 I think Fisichella has a chance to get moved off the list with his drive at Renault next year...

Can you tell me which horse will win the grand national please? PM me and I'll place the bet.

Inigo Montoya · 6 Mar 2005, 20:30 (Ref:1244890)

I could have told you that too Peter

krt917 · 7 Mar 2005, 12:53 (Ref:1245533)

Yes, well done to Fisi for removing himself from this list. Slightly ironic that for a guy who has had such bad luck or, more accurately, such rubbish cars during his career, he should get off the list with probably one of the easiest F1 wins of recent times!

It looks like Fisi will get some more this season and Alonso's position on the 'one-hit wonder' list looks more temporary than ever!

esorniloc · 20 Mar 2005, 09:17 (Ref:1256582)

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Originally Posted by krt917

Alonso's position on the 'one-hit wonder' list looks more temporary than ever!

Well he can now be removed!

This list is thinning out each race and Trulli could get removed soon if Toyota keeps on as it is.

BootsOntheSide · 20 Mar 2005, 18:02 (Ref:1257145)

I think Trulli is the only current driver with just one win - Alonso, Fisichella and Montoya now all have two (since this thread was originally started). Great drive from Alonso, and I'm sure he'll clock up lots more wins this season.

krt917 · 21 Mar 2005, 13:22 (Ref:1257970)

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Originally Posted by esorniloc

This list is thinning out each race and Trulli could get removed soon if Toyota keeps on as it is.

That's true - impressive pace from Toyota this time out. Actually, it occurred to me during the race that if Alonso had retired, we would still be removing another 'one hit wonder' from the list!

**Peter Mallett** · 21 Mar 2005, 13:24 (Ref:1257972)

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Originally Posted by BootsOntheSide

.................Montoya now all have two (since this thread was originally started).

Does anybody else find thar surprising? Only two?

DSM · 21 Mar 2005, 13:43 (Ref:1257982)

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Originally Posted by Peter Mallett

Does anybody else find thar surprising? Only two?

I do. He has 4 at last count: Italy '01; Monaco/ Germany '03 and Brazil last year.

Maybe Boots meant he had more than 1?

N I Tram · 21 Mar 2005, 14:42 (Ref:1258025)

Maybe he meant Raikkonen, he has 2 wins and scored them both since this thread (perhaps the longest-running in 10tenths history?) began. JPM has certainly won more than 2 races despite occasional bad luck (if anything it was nice to see him take a strong result without seemingly doing anything above mediocre yesterday; all too often he does the opposite).

esorniloc · 21 Mar 2005, 19:18 (Ref:1258226)

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Originally Posted by krt917

That's true - impressive pace from Toyota this time out. Actually, it occurred to me during the race that if Alonso had retired, we would still be removing another 'one hit wonder' from the list!

I was thinking that if the top two retired we would be adding another to the list...............

Who is the most likely candidate to be added next?

**Peter Mallett** · 21 Mar 2005, 19:40 (Ref:1258247)

Webber or Hiedfeld IMO.

karimbo · 21 Mar 2005, 19:41 (Ref:1258251)

The race Panis won in rainy Montecarlo is worth a lot more than races won with the most competitive car in sunny conditions on tracks where overtaking is easier....

People should consider these things. Would it be easier for Christian Albers to score ONE SINGLE POINT in a FULL SEASON on a Minardi or is it easier for Christian Albers to score a podium on A SINGLE RACE driving a Renault...

The second place of Ayrton Senna in 1984 in Montecarlo was worth a lot more than many of the easier victories he had on a McLaren Honda.

To win in Montecarlo in the rain driving a Ligier is more difficult than to win 14 races on wide tracks under sunny skies on a Adran Newey designed Williams-Renault...

Kicking-back · 21 Mar 2005, 19:49 (Ref:1258263)

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Originally Posted by karimbo

The race Panis won in rainy Montecarlo is worth a lot more than races won with the most competitive car in sunny conditions on tracks where overtaking is easier....

It may be harder, but it's still only WORTH 10 points

maximus · 21 Mar 2005, 19:51 (Ref:1258267)

Yes but Panis was very very lucky due to all the retirements from the front runners. I doubt he had the pace to even make the points without all the retirments IMO.

Kicking-back · 21 Mar 2005, 19:52 (Ref:1258269)

I disagree.

Panis passed a lot of people that day.

Hazard · 21 Mar 2005, 20:03 (Ref:1258283)

It was a good race from Panis...he still beat DC in a McLaren!

BootsOntheSide · 21 Mar 2005, 21:34 (Ref:1258349)

DC's car was set up for the wet though, Panis came to the front because he'd gone for a compromise set up that suited the later dry laps. The McLarens weren't a major threat that year - on no other occasion did they finish higher than 3rd. Panis only scored points twice more that year, and was 14th on the grid on merit, so you can't really say he deserves to be a Grand Prix winner as such, when some far better guys never were.

And yes, I was wrong about Montoya. Not sure what I was thinking, probably did mean Kimi.

Kicking-back · 21 Mar 2005, 21:43 (Ref:1258353)

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Originally Posted by BootsOntheSide

Panis only scored points twice more that year, and was 14th on the grid on merit, so you can't really say he deserves to be a Grand Prix winner as such, when some far better guys never were.

Olivier Panis deserves to be a Grand Prix winner.

Why?

Because he completed the 1996 Monaco Grand Prix quicker than anyone else.

krt917 · 22 Mar 2005, 13:13 (Ref:1258848)

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Originally Posted by esorniloc

I was thinking that if the top two retired we would be adding another to the list...............

Who is the most likely candidate to be added next?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter Mallett

Webber or Hiedfeld IMO.

I agree - the BAR doesn't look anything like quick enough to give Button his first win, which I thought might have been possible before the season started.

Quote:

Originally Posted by karimbo

The race Panis won in rainy Montecarlo is worth a lot more than races won with the most competitive car in sunny conditions on tracks where overtaking is easier....

People should consider these things. Would it be easier for Christian Albers to score ONE SINGLE POINT in a FULL SEASON on a Minardi or is it easier for Christian Albers to score a podium on A SINGLE RACE driving a Renault...

The second place of Ayrton Senna in 1984 in Montecarlo was worth a lot more than many of the easier victories he had on a McLaren Honda.

To win in Montecarlo in the rain driving a Ligier is more difficult than to win 14 races on wide tracks under sunny skies on a Adran Newey designed Williams-Renault...

I agree with the main argument - some wins are harder than others, though I think that your last 14-1 point is a bit OTT!

As for Panis, I'm glad he got his win and I do think that he was 'in the zone' at Monaco in '96.

N I Tram · 22 Mar 2005, 13:57 (Ref:1258881)

That wasn't a comment praising Panis, it was a comment criticising you-know-who. Panis onyl won that race because Hill, Alesi and Berger all broke down while leading, even before you consider that his choice of setup was as much luck as judgment. Much as he deserved a win in 1997, and would've surely got one were it not for Canada, I think he was a little lucky on the day.

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