Driver of the Race - Japan - Page 5

**Peter Mallett** · 1 Oct 2007, 18:23 (Ref:2028169)

The forum speaks!

bdwoody · 1 Oct 2007, 18:41 (Ref:2028187)

may be the fia could put 5,000,000 gallons of water on the track every weekend that should keep us all talking...

JeremySmith · 2 Oct 2007, 00:38 (Ref:2028446)

I have to make a vote here, so Mark Webber you get my vote you should have been on the podium mate..Very very bad luck great drive from you!

dsg · 2 Oct 2007, 03:02 (Ref:2028508)

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Originally Posted by rcarr

Webber was good but he was doing some silly moves behind the safety car, I am sure he passed Lewis at least once. I don't know what he was trying to do, scare Lewis maybe, show him he was a bit racy? That mentality was compounded by Vettel crashing into him, he wasn't concentrating on the people around him, accelerating and sharply braking just made him look stupid and inexperienced which is far from the truth.

Your logic is astounding.

coln72 · 2 Oct 2007, 11:07 (Ref:2028801)

The majority of the field were doing the same thing as Webber, so they must be idiots as well.......

**Adam43** · 2 Oct 2007, 11:08 (Ref:2028803)

actually I possibly agree with that last bit!

MrTTraces · 2 Oct 2007, 12:02 (Ref:2028846)

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Originally Posted by bdwoody

may be the fia could put 5,000,000 gallons of water on the track every weekend that should keep us all talking...

Funny you should say that because...

'I've been to the year 3000 not much has changed but they drive under water and Bernies great great great grand daughter is really fine'

Sorry

Patrick Fletche · 2 Oct 2007, 12:32 (Ref:2028880)

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Originally Posted by lookleft

Suggest you ask the same question from the 35 who voted Lewis then. Started in the best car, team took care of his only challenger with some "interesting" pit strategy, next closest team left brains in Italy. So, Lewis manages to keep the best car on the grid out front, out of the spray and somehow THAT is DoTR?

Spot on.
Lewis was up to some very interesting tricks repeatedly brake testing the pack when behind the pace car. Is this legal? It probably caused the Webber crash.
Also it was nice to see the Hamilton chop cost him (unfortunately not enough) when he launched into Kubica and Kubica wouldn't yield. It is inevitable that the Hamilton chop will one day lead to a huge crash.
As for Kimi, the way he was driving he would have easily won the race had the idiots in the pits not decided to ruin his day with a three stop. We all know that Kimi is amazingly fast, but it is unusual for him to really show his racer side as much as he did in Japan. Making up all those places in those conditions took enormous skill and commitment. Driving round the outside of DC was simply sublime and worth driver of the race on it's own. Supreme mastery by a great driver.

I thought Button was very unlucky.

Also several of the old lags proved why they shouldn't be in F1 any more. And all the young guns had good drives.

Hamilton won by being in front out of the spray in the best car but mainly by having a one stop strategy. Also one gets the feeling that McBiased are not looking after both of their drivers equally. Definitely not a special drive and definitely not worth driver of the day. Even DC was more deserving.

Super Hans · 2 Oct 2007, 13:28 (Ref:2028926)

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Originally Posted by Patrick Fletche

Also it was nice to see the Hamilton chop cost him (unfortunately not enough) when he launched into Kubica and Kubica wouldn't yield.

In no way could Lewis Hamilton be blamed for that collision.

It was a racing incident, in my opinion.

Ralf's Girl · 2 Oct 2007, 13:48 (Ref:2028940)

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Originally Posted by Patrick Fletche

Spot on.
Lewis was up to some very interesting tricks repeatedly brake testing the pack when behind the pace car. Is this legal? It probably caused the Webber crash.

The Webber discussion is here: http://tentenths.com/forum/showthread.php?t=100622

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Originally Posted by Patrick Fletche

Also it was nice to see the Hamilton chop cost him (unfortunately not enough) when he launched into Kubica and Kubica wouldn't yield. It is inevitable that the Hamilton chop will one day lead to a huge crash.

I really fail to see how Hamilton can be even remotely blamed for that.

minimangler · 2 Oct 2007, 15:53 (Ref:2029059)

Slightly off topic, but by Ralf's Girl, are we talking Ralf Schumacher?????

Ralf's Girl · 2 Oct 2007, 16:08 (Ref:2029072)

Yes. Back on topic, he wasn't driver of the race on Sunday.

Knowlesy · 2 Oct 2007, 17:26 (Ref:2029135)

Ralf's Girl will be renamed "Ralf's Retirement" when the news is confirmed.

Back to topic.

**Bononi** · 2 Oct 2007, 17:49 (Ref:2029153)

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Originally Posted by Knowlesy

Ralf's Girl will be renamed "Ralf's Retirement" when the news is confirmed.

Back to topic.

Ouch... that was low.

* hides behind the desk *

Andy77 · 2 Oct 2007, 17:54 (Ref:2029163)

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Originally Posted by Ralf's Girl

Lots of candidates to choose from today, so go mad...

For me, it has to be one of the top three:

Hamilton - nothing really to be said, superb drive and a fully deserved win

Kovalainen - first podium of the season for Renault, a great drive in difficult conditions

Raikkonen - fought his way up from the back to finish on the podium

I'm going for Hamilton because he really came of age today - I think the phrase used was "I think we can tick off driving in the wet".

EDIT: I've added Webber to the poll because I see there are some...er...strong feelings about his incident with Vettel.

I'd take either Kimi or Heiki out of the 3 . why ? it is very simple. Hamilton in most cases had a clean view ahead. both other two had not. point.

bdwoody · 2 Oct 2007, 20:39 (Ref:2029334)

Hamilton out front with a clear view...... have many of you guys driven or rode a vehicle at speed in the rain without a roof,it aint much fun and your visor tends to mist/fog up like mad. to say lewis was in any way having a easier time driving in those conditions shows how little some people know about the sport they comment on.

Knowlesy · 2 Oct 2007, 20:45 (Ref:2029341)

Well it wouldn't have been easy, for sure, but his view would have been clearer.

Doesn't make his drive any less impressive though like some seem to think. For a start he was good enough to get out front.

Neil22 · 2 Oct 2007, 21:22 (Ref:2029378)

Kimi for me. Third place after (Whoever) screwed up on tire choice? Outstanding. Massa looked good too, loved that last lap.

Notso Swift · 3 Oct 2007, 01:41 (Ref:2029487)

Well a tough one, as a matter of principle I don't vote for non finishers, so while Webber was fantastic, and clearly catching Hamilton (though I do not think he would have passed him) he can't get it, even though I can see why others have voted for him. With the obvious exception Vettel was rather good, but t is also obvious that he didn't finish so can't be considered. Hamilton had the best machine, a clear track and still wasn't the fastest during the trying conditions, so it is impossible to rationally give it to him.
Really it comes to Kimi and Henki, based on Kimi's recovery you could give it to him, but those were self inflected problems (by Ferrari) and he clearly has a better car than Henki, yet Henki drove well and was rational and resisted immense pressure, I think the split is 51/49 his way, so that is my vote

**Peter Mallett** · 3 Oct 2007, 03:57 (Ref:2029522)

Didn't Hamilton set the fastest lap?

strider · 3 Oct 2007, 07:35 (Ref:2029605)

Yes, he did. There's a full list here.

It's a strange one, because otherwise it doesn't seem to bear much relationship to the results - Kovalainen and Raikkonen were 9th and 8th respectively. I can only think that as the weather conditions did vary a little during the race - from horrible to near impossible - it depended on your situation at the 'best' moments. In traffic, heavy with fuel, or in clean(ish) air) etc.

**Peter Mallett** · 3 Oct 2007, 07:38 (Ref:2029610)

Also to win at the slowest pace possible is the mark of an expert.

Clive · 4 Oct 2007, 11:10 (Ref:2030703)

In one sense they all deserve it due to the conditions, but Hamilton had pole, led start to finish, and survived being punted off.

and, its hard enough driving a road car with the top down and its raining, so driving a F1 must be even harder

View Poll Results: Who was your driver of the race for Japan?
Lewis Hamilton	50	29.76%
Heikki Kovalainen	30	17.86%
Kimi Raikkonen	25	14.88%
David Coulthard	1	0.60%
Giancarlo Fisichella	0	0%
Felipe Massa	5	2.98%
Robert Kubica	2	1.19%
Mark Webber	46	27.38%
Other	9	5.36%
Voters: 168. You may not vote on this poll

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