Round 6: The 105th running of the Indianapolis 500. May 18-30, 2021. - Page 5

S griffin · 24 May 2021, 09:10 (Ref:4053068)

Good pole by Dixon, sets up for an interesting race this grid. Great effort by Power to get in after being in danger of not making it

**Adam43** · 24 May 2021, 13:08 (Ref:4053135)

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Damn, I laughed so hard at the video in this article. Pagenaud and Newgarden are lost in a corn field trying to find there way to the now defunct Iowa IndyCar race. Not sure how I've never seen this before, but it is gold!

https://jalopnik.com/what-dumb-race-...ist-1846947103

Man, they can act.

billy bleach · 24 May 2021, 13:08 (Ref:4053136)

How can Penske / Power be so far off. Clearly nobody on the USA feed wanted to address the subject

**bjohnsonsmith** · 24 May 2021, 14:49 (Ref:4053162)

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Originally Posted by Adam43

Man, they can act.

The Golden Corn Awards.

**bjohnsonsmith** · 24 May 2021, 14:53 (Ref:4053165)

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Originally Posted by billy bleach

How can Penske / Power be so far off. Clearly nobody on the USA feed wanted to address the subject

To add to that, with the exception of Ed Carpenter Racing, how can Chevrolet be so far off?

**bjohnsonsmith** · 24 May 2021, 15:22 (Ref:4053173)

Qualifying Results - Pole Day.

Honda take 7 of the Fast Nine places. The first Chevrolet powered car, out side of the Fast Nine is in 12th place on the grid, driven by Pato O'Ward.

**joeb** · 24 May 2021, 18:31 (Ref:4053220)

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Qualifying Results - Pole Day.

Honda take 7 of the Fast Nine places. The first Chevrolet powered car, out side of the Fast Nine is in 12th place on the grid, driven by Pato O'Ward.

Makes you wonder what Carpenter knows that the other teams don't?

broadrun96 · 24 May 2021, 19:16 (Ref:4053225)

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Makes you wonder what Carpenter knows that the other teams don't?

Well Ed has been fast at Indy and mostly only Indy with a few runs up toward the front at Texas. I'm picturing him speaking with the car like Robert Duvall in Days of Thunder and getting each chassis perked up and ready to run

2 litre Touring Car Star · 25 May 2021, 11:34 (Ref:4053303)

Even though he's already an Indy 500 winner, I think there's a little bit of pressure on Dixon to get up.

When you consider that the two big accomplishments in Indycars are the championship and the 500. The 6 championships and 1 Indy 500 win seems quite an imbalance.

crmalcolm · 25 May 2021, 12:04 (Ref:4053306)

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The 6 championships and 1 Indy 500 win seems quite an imbalance.

I wouldn't have seen it as such an imbalance, when you consider the different scale of fields and the one-off nature of the 500.

**skycafe** · 25 May 2021, 12:16 (Ref:4053308)

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I wouldn't have seen it as such an imbalance, when you consider the different scale of fields and the one-off nature of the 500.

Agree. Mario Andretti only had one Indy win, but he seemed pretty accomplished

2 litre Touring Car Star · 25 May 2021, 12:29 (Ref:4053310)

Mario Andretti may be accomplished but 1 win is a bit short for the career he's had.

I'm just saying I think it'd quietly grate on Scott a bit that he's only experienced the glory of Indy only once.

S griffin · 25 May 2021, 12:36 (Ref:4053311)

The thing is Indy 500 isn’t all about skill, you also need all the cards to fall for you.

**bjohnsonsmith** · 25 May 2021, 13:17 (Ref:4053316)

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Mario Andretti may be accomplished but 1 win is a bit short for the career he's had.

Mario Andretti won the 500 once in 29 attempts, in contrast Rick Mears won it 4 times in 16 attempts.

billy bleach · 25 May 2021, 14:04 (Ref:4053323)

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Mario Andretti won the 500 once in 29 attempts, in contrast Rick Mears won it 4 times in 16 attempts.

How many F1 races / Championships did Rick win? Greatness is measured in many ways.....

**bjohnsonsmith** · 25 May 2021, 14:56 (Ref:4053326)

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How many F1 races / Championships did Rick win? Greatness is measured in many ways.....

Rick Mears never competed in F1. The comparison between Rick Mears and Mario Andretti has nothing to do with greatness.

S griffin · 25 May 2021, 15:23 (Ref:4053330)

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Rick Mears never competed in F1. The comparison between Rick Mears and Mario Andretti has nothing to do with greatness.

Mario may be more versatile, but that doesn’t mean he was the greater driver.

billy bleach · 25 May 2021, 17:42 (Ref:4053353)

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Mario may be more versatile, but that doesn’t mean he was the greater driver.

Didn’t Mears test a Brabham - successfully - but didn’t fancy the drop in wages!

crmalcolm · 25 May 2021, 17:58 (Ref:4053356)

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Didn’t Mears test a Brabham - successfully - but didn’t fancy the drop in wages!

Sort of - but I wouldn't necessarily describe it as not fancying a drop in wages - he said that moving to F1 would have paid him more, but he preferred the variety of tracks with a mixture of Oval and Circuit races in CART:

'The money in F1 was good, yes, but it was road courses only, and I liked ovals. I could see CART getting strong and I liked the variety of CART with short ovals, long ovals, street circuits and permanent road circuits. I felt you had to be a more well-rounded driver to win the CART championship and I liked the Penske team and the association we had there. To me, CART was more competitive and more challenging'

Some interesting comments in the article about the difference between F1 and CART - I wonder if the same changes are still true today?

'The characteristics of the F1 car were completely different [...] you have to hustle an F1 car harder. The first time I drove the Brabham I was a couple of seconds off the pace, and that was because I was driving it like an Indy car – smooth and steady, not making any bobbles, not touching the curbs. I was using all the track but not over-using it, and I was a couple of seconds off.

I thought, ‘What’s wrong here?’ So I got mad and started driving the **** out of that thing. I started sliding it and pitching it sideways and bouncing it off and over the curbs. Then I got down to competitive times. I discovered you’ve got to change your way of thinking when you drive an F1 car. It’s a stand-on-the-gas, bang-it-off-the-curbs-every-lap type of thing. In that type of racing, you can’t pace yourself. It’s a flat-out deal all the time.'

broadrun96 · 25 May 2021, 21:26 (Ref:4053369)

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Originally Posted by billy bleach

How many F1 races / Championships did Rick win? Greatness is measured in many ways.....

Well that was not the question you asked before, don't change the comparison because someone calls bs on your first one.

Indy wins vs US open wheel championships is rarely a direct correlation. For that matter wins at Monaco aren't correlated to F1 driver championships either. It's a single event very different that others with more cars, even in the heyday 33 was the biggest fields, and much higher speeds for longer than other events. It was won by guys who drove a particular manner and may not translate to a full season and lost but guys who had blisteringly fast but fragile cars that could run most events but Indy took it out of them. See the cars and drivers who were out front on pace at 475 miles and didn't win, it's not a short list

billy bleach · 26 May 2021, 01:05 (Ref:4053377)

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Originally Posted by broadrun96

Well that was not the question you asked before, don't change the comparison because someone calls bs on your first one.

Indy wins vs US open wheel championships is rarely a direct correlation. For that matter wins at Monaco aren't correlated to F1 driver championships either. It's a single event very different that others with more cars, even in the heyday 33 was the biggest fields, and much higher speeds for longer than other events. It was won by guys who drove a particular manner and may not translate to a full season and lost but guys who had blisteringly fast but fragile cars that could run most events but Indy took it out of them. See the cars and drivers who were out front on pace at 475 miles and didn't win, it's not a short list

What are you talking about? What is it with the aggression on this forum? All I said was Greatness can be measured in many ways. I didn’t change anything, just dated to have a viewpoint that’s all. Anyone know how to de register from 10/10ths Am sick of all the aggravation.

broadrun96 · 26 May 2021, 01:18 (Ref:4053378)

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What are you talking about? What is it with the aggression on this forum? All I said was Greatness can be measured in many ways. I didn’t change anything, just dated to have a viewpoint that’s all. Anyone know how to de register from 10/10ths Am sick of all the aggravation.

Yeah, you challenge someone's response and that's offensive to YOU???

Oh, the door is off to the top of your screen, it's the little X and close the browser.

**Adam43** · 26 May 2021, 02:11 (Ref:4053380)

Still not long till the race.

let’s leave it there

NaBUru38 · 26 May 2021, 20:10 (Ref:4053489)

I'm still baffled that IndyCar sold the television rights in Hispanic America to Claro, and let them make it nearly impossible to watch it.

**bjohnsonsmith** · 28 May 2021, 19:03 (Ref:4053693)

Here's an interesting article for all you 500 history buffs and trivia fans, every pace car, from 1911 - 2021.

https://www.motorsport.com/indycar/n...-2021/6515726/

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