[BTCC] BTCC News & Rumours 2025

[cameronpoe]

Originally Posted by Evantra

https://btcc.net/covers-officially-c...-launch-event/

Looks kinda dated, but hopefully the grids and racing are good!

Speaking as someone who has been to every weekend but 4 since 2015 I really hope this championship works the overall Package needs a lift and updating that is clear to everyone and the Juniors fill the bill .. I miss the Ginetta Juniors .. and it’s clear that making this championship RWD when the majority of BTCC cars are FWD , that Toca want to pinch young drivers who want long circuit mileage from Ginetta before Single Seaters .. I think it will work as the BTCC overall is miles ahead of British GT in terms of profile …

[porsche962fan]

Originally Posted by Evantra

https://btcc.net/covers-officially-c...-launch-event/

Looks kinda dated, but hopefully the grids and racing are good!

is this a joke ?

[redshoes]

Originally Posted by Evantra

https://btcc.net/covers-officially-c...-launch-event/

Looks kinda dated, but hopefully the grids and racing are good!

Hints of Peugeot 306 from that front picture. Looks like something from a late 90s issue of Max Power.

[S griffin]

Originally Posted by porsche962fan

is this a joke ?

What’s wrong with giving youngsters an opportunity to show their stuff?

[porsche962fan]

nothing with that intent but the car looks hideous

surely they could have come up with a better bodywork

[SSmith]

Originally Posted by Evantra

https://btcc.net/covers-officially-c...-launch-event/

Looks kinda dated, but hopefully the grids and racing are good!

It is a weird looking thing! Headlights look similar to a Nissan Silvia S15 (and/or Peugeot 306), the roofline is a mixture of various 80s hatchbacks, and it gives off 90s Peugeot vibes also.

It is great to have an old British brand resurrected and if the initial optimism around maximising the grid (capped at 26) comes to fruition then I can see the championship having some good racing. Bring on 2025!

[AJD]

Originally Posted by porsche962fan

nothing with that intent but the car looks hideous

surely they could have come up with a better bodywork

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

[Pit Lane Lurker]

£94k for a car.
£35k entry.

Oh dear.

[Evantra]

Originally Posted by Pit Lane Lurker

£94k for a car.
£35k entry.

Oh dear.

I am I right in guessing the Mini Coopers (not JCWs) would be less than that?

[IdealLine]

I don't mind the looks, in the end it doesn't matter as much as long as the racing is good

The £78,500 price tag is seriously steep though. Compare that to the latest iteration Renault Clio at £41,606 or the Ginetta Junior new at £45,000 and I can see it being a challenge to fill the grid unless there's enough kids with rich dads waiting to have a go

[SSmith]

Originally Posted by cameronpoe

Speaking as someone who has been to every weekend but 4 since 2015 I really hope this championship works the overall Package needs a lift and updating that is clear to everyone and the Juniors fill the bill .. I miss the Ginetta Juniors .. and it’s clear that making this championship RWD when the majority of BTCC cars are FWD , that Toca want to pinch young drivers who want long circuit mileage from Ginetta before Single Seaters .. I think it will work as the BTCC overall is miles ahead of British GT in terms of profile …

Yes. Apart from the eye-watering cost it is in direct competition with Ginetta Juniors. I reckon that getting the chance to be near teams in British F4 (with its FIA endorsement) could sway a few young single-seater aspirants towards TOCA Juniors rather than Ginetta Juniors, but the cost will be a determining factor for lots of youngsters.

[Pit Lane Lurker]

Originally Posted by Evantra

I am I right in guessing the Mini Coopers (not JCWs) would be less than that?

Significantly.

For comparison, I’m sure a new Ginetta junior car came in at about £45k at the top end….

These were always gonna be more than that given their bespoke nature, but that’s an eye watering cost for a junior series.

[ahobson98]

The looks of the car aren't that important, even though I'm not keen.

The cost is concerning though - £78.5 k +VAT, and that's before spares or anything else.

When a Ginetta G40 Junior can be picked up 2nd hand for ~£20-25 k and a new one for £40-50 k ish, the running costs for the TOCA junior series will need to be much lower, or I really can't see the attraction.

I hope they can get good numbers, but it might be a struggle.

[Evantra]

Originally Posted by Pit Lane Lurker

Significantly.

For comparison, I’m sure a new Ginetta junior car came in at about £45k at the top end….

These were always gonna be more than that given their bespoke nature, but that’s an eye watering cost for a junior series.

Yes I’m beginning to see the problem!

[IdealLine]

Originally Posted by IdealLine

I don't mind the looks, in the end it doesn't matter as much as long as the racing is good

The £78,500 price tag is seriously steep though. Compare that to the latest iteration Renault Clio at £41,606 or the Ginetta Junior new at £45,000 and I can see it being a challenge to fill the grid unless there's enough kids with rich dads waiting to have a go

Reason I mentioned the price of a Clio is because that car forms the base of the new FIA TC Lite category, which in my personal opinion would've been a good fit for the BTCC Juniors

[v8supes]

That thing is HIDEOUS. I really thought they’d just use the new FIA tc junior regulations & base the car on an actual roadcar.

[Matt K]

Well, the car looks ridiculous, no doubt about it, and the costs will not be particularly low.... Anyway, will keep my fingers crossed and hope the championship serves its purpose.

[antnee]

Farrrrr too expensive! When a TCR car is capped at 139kEuro (£118k), and it will hold its value more and can be raced in more series - it makes the TOCA Junior car a tough sell...

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Evantra

I am I right in guessing the Mini Coopers (not JCWs) would be less than that?

JCWs are less than that

[AJD]

Seems to be a bit of a theme with everything TOCA related at the moment. Costs are rising and rising fast to be on these grids.

[Evantra]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

JCWs are less than that

How does it compare with F4? Must be in a similar ballpark too.

[ahobson98]

A season in F4 is ballpark 300-350k+ depending on the team

[Alfaholic]

Originally Posted by redshoes

Hints of Peugeot 306 from that front picture. Looks like something from a late 90s issue of Max Power.

With a 309 back end

[Evantra]

Originally Posted by ahobson98

A season in F4 is ballpark 300-350k+ depending on the team

Well at least it undercuts something then!

[porsche962fan]

so an ugly overpriced pile of pooh

and some managers got paid to supervise this monstrosity ???

think nearly everyone here could have come up with something better and cheaper