Brabham BT35 - Page 5

Steve Wilkinson · 20 Dec 2004, 17:48 (Ref:1538716)

I have ben doing another trawl through and noticed there is a heck of a lot of incredible detail especially about F2 cars/chassis numbers/entrants etc.

I assume ('Never Assume') you all have access to this information?

PS Guess what - It's

Andrew Fellowes · 20 Dec 2004, 21:04 (Ref:1538717)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Wilkinson

PS Guess what - It's

Ummm, Steve your are welcome to it, unless its on top of a nice hill with plenty of pubs, then thats another matter.

29C here today, -it was over 40C last week, Happy Festive Season to all,

Bryan I am looking forward to your visit, which expensive hotel would you like to eat at, -after passing my car for its C of D and Log Book?

Bryan Miller · 23 Dec 2004, 08:03 (Ref:1538718)

Steve ,

Having another trawl through ?????? please enlighten us poor Colonials .

Anuauto , thanks that is the car I saw at Autosport Int. a few years ago on the AA stand , nearly a sister to my BT35-8 .

Some months ago BT35-10 was for sale by bidding on ebay in the U.S.A. the link has now closed , does anybody have a contact to find out what happened to the car.?????????

Andrew , what do you mean which expensive hotel , ALL of course, plus spending money at the Casino naturally.

Bryan.

phdm · 23 Dec 2004, 08:38 (Ref:1538719)

Bryan,

Re BT35-10, if you look at my message to you last March, I had proposed to send you pictures of the car obtained from the seller. As I was mentioning, lots of details were wrong on this car. If you want, I can look in my records for the details of the dealer. I can still send you the pics. I had made an offer for the car but it was not accepted. I don't know what happened afterwards. Send me your email address by private message and let me what you want me to do.

Regards.

phdm

Bryan Miller · 23 Dec 2004, 09:00 (Ref:1538720)

PHDM,

Thank you message on the way.

Bryan.

Steve Wilkinson · 23 Dec 2004, 20:51 (Ref:1538722)

Scottish Hillclimb Championship Events:
1972 Kinkell 25/03 Gray Mickel 1st; Agnes Mickel 6th
1972 Doune 30/04 Gray Mickel 6th; Agnes Mickel 10th
1972 Fintray 13/08 Gray Mickel 2nd; Agnes Mickel 3rd
1972 Kinkell 07/10 Gray Mickel 1st; Agnes Mickel 7th=
1973 Kinkell 24/03 Gray Mickel 3rd=
1973 Doune 17/06 Gray Mickel 8th
1973 Fintray 08/07 Gray Mickel 3rd; Agnes Mickel 4th
1973 Fintray 19/08 Gray Mickel 1st; Agnes Mickel 2nd
1973 Kinkell 13/10 Gray Mickel 3rd; Agnes Mickel 10th
1974 Rumster 26/05 Jim Campbell 7th
1974 Fintray 11/08 Jim Campbell 4th
1974 Rumster 25/08 Jim Campbell 2nd
1974 Kinkell 06/10 Jim Campbell 9th
1975 Kinkell 23/03 Jim Campbell 5th
1975 Doune 27/04 Jim Campbell 3rd
1976 Rumster 30/05 Jim Campbell 4th
1976 Fintray 27/06 Jim Campbell 2nd
1976 Fintray 08/08 Jim Campbell 2nd
1976 Kinkell 16/10 Jim Campbell 1st
1977 Kinkell 20/03 Jim Campbell 1st
1977 Doune 24/04 Jim Campbell 2nd
1977 Rumster 29/05 Jim Campbell 2nd
1977 Doune 19/06 Jim Campbell 10th
1977 Fintray 26/06 Jim Campbell 1st
1977 Fintray 07/08 Jim Campbell 1st
1977 Rumster 28/08 Jim Campbell 2nd
1977 Kinkell 09/10 Jim Campbell 2nd
1978 Doune 23/04 Jim Campbell 4th
1978 Rumster 29/05 Jim Campbell 3rd
1978 Fintray 18/06 Jim Campbell 4th
1978 Doune 25/06 Jim Campbell 9th
1978 Fintray 06/08 Jim Campbell 1st
1978 Rumster 27/08 Jim Campbell 2nd
1978 Kinkell 14/10 Jim Campbell 2nd
1978 Scottish Hillclimb Champion - Jim Campbell

The car was then sold on.

In 1979 there was a Brabham in the Scottish Championship run by Ron Cumming, could this have been BT35-44?

Steve Wilkinson · 23 Dec 2004, 20:54 (Ref:1538723)

I have the Brabham BT35-35 of Mike Hawley going first to:

Tony Harrison - 1973

And then:

David Render for 1974/75/76

Can't pick up its trail after Render but will keep digging.

Steve Wilkinson · 23 Dec 2004, 20:59 (Ref:1538724)

BT35-6 I have this chassis passing through the following:

1974 until 1976 Rob Turnbull

1977 Andy Fraser/Tim Painter

The car then is sold on out of the National Hillclimb and Sprint arena.

Andrew Fellowes · 23 Dec 2004, 21:02 (Ref:1538725)

35-44 I remember well when Fred Edwards from Warboys in Cambridgeshire had it.
Where is it now?

Didn't Harper end up with 35-35 in '91?

Bryan Miller · 23 Dec 2004, 21:42 (Ref:1538726)

Andrew,

BT35-44 , the ex Gray and Agnes Mickel car is now in the U.S.A. with / via Dave Irwin.

Bryan.

Bryan Miller · 23 Dec 2004, 21:46 (Ref:1538727)

BT35-35 was for sale in Glouceshire [ spelling ] 1990/1.

I don't think we have found it after that.

Bryan.

Andrew Fellowes · 23 Dec 2004, 21:56 (Ref:1538728)

Thanks Bryan, if I'd read my notes more closely I might have realised that. The Edwards family had a lot of fun with that car, in those days I called in a couple of times to see them, they had a number of other cars but that I think was the only Brabham.

phdm · 24 Dec 2004, 06:10 (Ref:1538729)

BT35-35 was raced in the German Open in the nineties.
It was in F2 configuration when raced by John Harper in Euro F2 but was later converted to F3 spec.

Steve Wilkinson · 24 Dec 2004, 12:38 (Ref:1538730)

The following is a list of Brabham drivers in the aforementioned championship:

1972
Gray & Agnes Mickel in BT35-44
Iain McLaren in a BT35X

1973
Gray and Agnes Mickel in BT35-44

1974
Bob Snelson in a BT35
Jim Campbell in BT35-44

1975/1976/1977
Jim Campbell in BT35-44

1978
Jim Campbell in BT35-44

Steve Wilkinson · 27 Dec 2004, 12:49 (Ref:1538736)

2nd Rd British F3 Championship

55 Jan Persson - BT35/Team Gekas-Klader
56 Jorgen Jonsson - BT35/Team Mum for Men

Bryan Miller · 19 Feb 2005, 08:30 (Ref:1538749)

BT35-5 .

For sale at www.carclassic.com

Stated to never have been entered in a race , two owners from new and only used by two French drivers for private use.
I have the name of Jean Louis La Fosse against this car in my notes.

Still fitted with Novamotor MAE 1000cc.

Bryan.

David McKinney · 19 Feb 2005, 08:53 (Ref:1538750)

BT35-5 was offered for sale at the 2004 Bonhams Monaco auction by.."a private French collector...who has owned it for 18 years. The car has been used for track-days and local hillclimbs"
Assuming it's the same car - and photos suggest it is - it seems carclassic.com have ignored whatever pre-1986 history it might have had

Chris Townsend · 19 Feb 2005, 10:21 (Ref:1538751)

Autosport in early 71 F3 reports gave the following chassis nos for BT35s
1: Brendan McInerney, used later in season by Jorge Pinhol and then a rent-a-car by MRE in 1972
2: Colin Vandervell
3: Jean-Louis Lafosse, this car offered for sale but not sold at Brooks Goodwood, 1999
4: Chris O'Brien, retained 1972 until BT38 delivered
5: Bernard Lagier [team mate to Lafosse] to Jannick Auxmery in French F3 1972.

So history completely ignored, as usual...

David McKinney · 19 Feb 2005, 12:37 (Ref:1538752)

Like Bryan, I have 35-5 as Lafosse's number
The 1999 Goodwood catalogue entry for BT35-3 does not mention Lafosse as the original owner (or anyone else for that matter). This car was deep purple and gold at the time of the sale; the 2004 Monaco and 2005 carclassic.com one is red
No-one seems to claim that either of these cars was raced in period....

Steve Wilkinson · 19 Feb 2005, 15:31 (Ref:1538753)

14/03/71 Mallory Park Lombank F3 Race:
Brendan McInerney raced his BT35 (White) whilst the following BT35s were NON-STARTERS:- Colin Vandervell (White/Green/Red) ; Chris O'Brien (Blue/Orange).

03/04/71 Brands Hatch Shell Super Oil British F3 Championship Race:
Once again McInerney was in his White BT35 Qualified on 2nd row and finished 6th; Vandervell practiced but crashed and did not race; O'Brien qualified on the fifth row; Jean-Louis Lafosse qualified on the 4th row; whilst Bernard Lagier was the slowest qualifier. NON-STARTERS were Jonas Qvarstrom; Ulf Svensson; Ingvar Petterson; Randy Lewis; Pierre-Francois Rousellot; and Alan McCully.

08/05/71 Silverstone GKN Forgings Trophy Race:
Again there were McInerney, O'Brien and Vandervell entered, they all qualified but didn't feature in the results.

22/05/71 Monaco F3 Grand Prix
The following BT35s were entered:
Dietmar Floer; Jean-Louis Lafosse; Pierre-Francois Rousselot; Brendan McInerney; Jonas Qvarnstrom; Colin Vandervell; and Ulf Svensson.

10/07/71 Croft Rothmans International F3 Race
The following BT35s were entered:
Conny Andersson; Ulf Svensson; Jan Persson (DNS); Jorge Pinhol (DNS); Ingvar Pettersson; Chris O'Brien; Jorgen Jonsson (DNS); Jonas Qvarnstrom (DNS); Lothar Schorg. Schorg was in a BMW Shnitzer powered Vienna Race Management entered version.

16/07/71 Silverstone Shell Super Oil Championship F3 Race
Pinhol; Lagier (DNS) Lafosse; Pettersson; Jonsson; O'Brien; Schorg; Randy Lewis; Persson; Svensson; Palm; Rousselot; Vandervell; and Peter Hull were all entered in BT35s.

21/08/71 Oulton Park Shell Super Oil Championship F3 Race
In BT35s were:

Jorge Pinhol (DNS); Colin Vandervell (4th); Jean-Louis Lafosse; and Pierre-Francois Rousselot.

All of the above taken from the programmes plus the annotated contemporary notes.

Doug Hart · 31 Jul 2005, 18:12 (Ref:1538756)

It is great to see such a load of knowledge re brabhams.. I helped out Rob Turnbull with his BT35 BDA on hillclimbs when I was young, we came 10th in a 1600cc car .. no idea what chassis number that was ..

Anyway I make wheels, split rim type, to fit Brabhams (march and Lola also) What I wanted to know is the offsets .. does anybody know the correct offsets for early brabhams ? They are perfect for all cars up to BT 38 when the look changed .. We sell a lot of these but I am always being asked re the correct offset.. if somebody knows this or where I can go,.. great .. Lola would be useful too ..

thanks

Doug

Bryan Miller · 31 Jul 2005, 22:44 (Ref:1538757)

Doug,
I own BT35-8 , I have 9's and 13's for wets and 10's and 14's for dry and will measure from the back mounting face to a straight edge across the rear of the rim.
Not all of mine are genuine Brabham , neither are a lot of other peoples except they do not realise it.
Some of mine are Palliser , nearly identical , unless you know how to spot the difference.
Are you o.k. for March measurements as I also have a 74B , but only front 10's , my two sets of rears are period Dymags , 15's.
Also have 5 x Melmags 2 x fr. 3 x r. 10's and 14's.
can measure all if required.
Bryan.

Jeremy Jackson · 24 Oct 2005, 22:40 (Ref:1538807)

Andrew,

Marsland is also quoted in F2R 3 races earlier at Nivelles as racing a BT35, so the BT36 may not necessarily be so (or vice versa or course)

Jeremy Jackson · 25 Oct 2005, 07:40 (Ref:1538810)

Andrew,

As I mentioned above, Marsland's quoted in a BT35 at Nivelles, this may be more likley as I think he drove a BT35 in the 1972 Phoenix Park race, but I haven't got a report to hand to comfirm..

Andrew Fellowes · 25 Oct 2005, 21:02 (Ref:1538811)

Jeremy I am sure you are right, sorry I didn't mean to ignore your suggestion!! -with such a plethora of ancient BT36’s it all highly unlikely, Autosport lists the reason that Marsland was at Monza was because he was on his way to a hill climb in with his “BT36”

What was the attraction of Monza? Was there good start money that attracted so many?

One of our other contributors here with good Swiss contacts has offered to find out about Amweg, or is this a name that means anything to anyone?

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