2024 Season - News and Rumours

[Alan52]

Originally Posted by Richard C

I can't remember the stat, but apparently if Logan retains his seat, it will mean no driver change from end of one season to start of next for a crazy length of time. In short, it seems like there is nearly always some change to driver lineup. Then again, we had a number of mid-season changes.

Richard

Forever?
I need to go train spotting through my Autocourse’s but this might be the first time ever.

[Teretonga]

Originally Posted by chavez

Or even the new De Niro

Now that it has been confirmed that Red Bull filed a logo and trade name on Racing Bulls back in June, I'm certain I like Raging Bulls better....

I still think they should do a feature film on the teams season next year starring the drivers and the new team management. Raging Bulls can be the working title and the team name.

I'd prefer Torro Rosso and the metallic once had but if we have to commercialize the whole team lets go the whole hog and do it properly.
Daniel can be the raging bull a'la Stallone and Yuki can be the bad-tempered apprentice...

[peebee2]

Originally Posted by Teretonga

Now that it has been confirmed that Red Bull filed a logo and trade name on Racing Bulls back in June, I'm certain I like Raging Bulls better....

I still think they should do a feature film on the teams season next year starring the drivers and the new team management. Raging Bulls can be the working title and the team name.

I'd prefer Torro Rosso and the metallic once had but if we have to commercialize the whole team lets go the whole hog and do it properly.
Daniel can be the raging bull a'la Stallone and Yuki can be the bad-tempered apprentice...

I’d suspect that Phil Vickery’s Raging Bull might have some sort of protection on that name.

[Peter Mallett]

Phil Vickery may have title to "Raging Bull" but perhaps not "Raging Bulls". Not that relevant but interesting from a copyright point of view.

[Mike Harte]

Sargeant confirmed for at Williams.

[S griffin]

Originally Posted by Mike Harte

Sargeant confirmed for at Williams.

While it’s good that Sargeant has another chance, it’s a massive shame there’ll be no rookies on the grid for next year atm. Just shows how wrong the teams are to try and block an 11th team

[peebee2]

Originally Posted by S griffin

While it’s good that Sargeant has another chance, it’s a massive shame there’ll be no rookies on the grid for next year atm. Just shows how wrong the teams are to try and block an 11th team

Why on earth would you assume that an extra team would run rookie drivers?

I'm not so sure someone would invest a billion or whatever and then run inexperienced drivers. They'd have to be very stupid indeed, as well as rich.

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by peebee2

Why on earth would you assume that an extra team would run rookie drivers?

I'm not so sure someone would invest a billion or whatever and then run inexperienced drivers. They'd have to be very stupid indeed, as well as rich.

It was never said that the extra team would run rookies.

But, it stands to reason that more seats on the grid means more chance of having a rookie driver.

By your argument, nobody would ever run inexperienced drivers.

[peebee2]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

It was never said that the extra team would run rookies.

No, but no rookies was bizarrely conflated with no 11th team.

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

By your argument, nobody would ever run inexperienced drivers.

Not remotely my argument. Just not smart if a brand new team, unless owned by a driver's Dad.

[chillibowl]

rookie in this context just means their first year in F1.

Andretti have said they would be looking to bring over an American driver which presumably could include picking from a pool of experienced Indy drivers who would technically be rookies in F1 if they crossed over or perhaps even their funding even demands it?

or more generally speaking about any potential new teams...a rich guy wants to start/buy/invest in a team and wants their kid to do the driving or perhaps that rookie is themselves independently bringing a big bag of cash with them.

surely we have seen rookies driving for new teams before amongst the last crop of new teams that joined up.

anyways, there are obviously several reasons why a rookie might be asked to join a new team...dont see the need to belittle someone for suggesting that more rookies on the grid would be a nice thing.

[peebee2]

Originally Posted by chillibowl

rookie in this context just means their first year in F1.

Andretti have said they would be looking to bring over an American driver which presumably could include picking from a pool of experienced Indy drivers who would technically be rookies in F1 if they crossed over or perhaps even their funding even demands it?

or more generally speaking about any potential new teams...a rich guy wants to start/buy/invest in a team and wants their kid to do the driving or perhaps that rookie is themselves independently bringing a big bag of cash with them.

surely we have seen rookies driving for new teams before amongst the last crop of new teams that joined up.

anyways, there are obviously several reasons why a rookie might be asked to join a new team...dont see the need to belittle someone for suggesting that more rookies on the grid would be a nice thing.

I'd wager you a several $ that Andretti, if they enter a new team, won't use a rookie as race driver to start with.

The last group of new teams ran whoever paid the most. None of them are here today, and they all failed as businesses.

After that we've had Haas, who have had a much more sensible attititude to drivers, if more boring and less interesting.

I didn't belittle anyone for suggesting rookies would be nice. I simply asked how that relates to criticising existing teams for supposedly blocking new teams, because it really doesn't.

[broadrun96]

So improve by a rookie and veteran, one of whom can bring more money?

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by peebee2

I'm not so sure someone would invest a billion or whatever and then run inexperienced drivers. They'd have to be very stupid indeed, as well as rich.

And yet Red Bull ran a rookie in their debut season?

[peebee2]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

And yet Red Bull ran a rookie in their debut season?

You've asked and answered your own question there.

Yes they ran a rookie, one had won the prime feeder the year before. Initially slated to run half a season he eventually did only four races.

It's a lifetime ago, when F1 was massively simpler, though still part of the reason for a preference for experience.

[thetool]

Originally Posted by peebee2

You've asked and answered your own question there.

Yes they ran a rookie, one had won the prime feeder the year before. Initially slated to run half a season he eventually did only four races.

It's a lifetime ago, when F1 was massively simpler, though still part of the reason for a preference for experience.

It's also quite generous to describe Red Bull in 2005 as being a debut season as it was really just a rebranding and continuation of Stewart Grand Prix.

[peebee2]

Originally Posted by thetool

It's also quite generous to describe Red Bull in 2005 as being a debut season as it was really just a rebranding and continuation of Stewart Grand Prix.

Yes, I forgot that. They probably issued a press release saying they were a new team though...

[S griffin]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

It was never said that the extra team would run rookies.

But, it stands to reason that more seats on the grid means more chance of having a rookie driver.

By your argument, nobody would ever run inexperienced drivers.

Yes, my argument was more teams=more opportunity for drivers. To have no rookies coming into F1 at the start of next year doesn’t seem right and why having 10 teams isn’t enough

[PhilipR]

I am not sure that more teams will mean more rookies!

Limited testing and limited opportunity for car development plus costs coming up from crashes might lead teams to stick with established drivers that have a knowledge of these cars and knowledge of development

Also the jump from F2 to F1 is huge and will take most rookies a long time to adapt. Piastri has a done a great job but you can see how lack of mileage affected him throughout the year

Plus if you were a new team would you risk your formative years on drivers with no experience of these cars or drivers that have competed in these cars?

I think current state of f1 regs are not too rookie friendly, drivers start younger and have longer careers which means limited openings for rookies.

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by PhilipR

I am not sure that more teams will mean more rookies!

The simple maths shows that it will.

Every driver has to retire at some point in their career, and every driver has to be a rookie at some point in their career.

If there are more seats, then inevitably there will be more rookie slots over time.

[bathurst77]

What if andretti really want to make a big splash
A rookie.. American...female
.headlines world wide especially in the states.

Whoyagot??

[BertMk2]

Originally Posted by bathurst77

What if andretti really want to make a big splash
A rookie.. American...female
.headlines world wide especially in the states.

Whoyagot??

I'm guessing there aren't any that have the required points for a super licence so that's a non-starter.

[broadrun96]

Originally Posted by bathurst77

What if andretti really want to make a big splash
A rookie.. American...female
.headlines world wide especially in the states.

Whoyagot??

We don't have any ready for an Indy ride or even Indy Lights

[bathurst77]

Originally Posted by BertMk2

I'm guessing there aren't any that have the required points for a super licence so that's a non-starter.

Sill at least 12/24 months to get someone qualified. But thats why i asked who, i couldnt think of one, but im not American or watching their up and comers

[1969MGCGTdriver]

Originally Posted by bathurst77

Sill at least 12/24 months to get someone qualified. But thats why i asked who, i couldnt think of one, but im not American or watching their up and comers

Lia Block (daughter of the late Ken Block) is sponsored by Williams in the upcoming F1 Academy season.

Do they get super license points? I don't follow that series very closely so I don't know, and I couldn't find the answer online.

[Guthrie]

The former Alfa Romeo Formula 1 outfit has formally changed its name to Stake F1 Team as of January 1, 2024.