Chevron B21

[driftwood]

also posted on B19 thread 1972 autosport reading
AS advert
June 8 Geoff Richardson advertises 72 B19-30 only 6 races £5250 this is the Abrahams car from ZA
June 27 Martini International race Silverstone Autosport report said
John Hine races his normal B21 (#19)Vega motor after he had used the previous week
the Niki Bosch car at Dijon and hit a backmarker
and Niki Bosche is in a B21 1800 Richardson powered car
Richard Scott in another new B21 enetered by Geoff Richardson ( this is actually B19-30 see below before you start arguing with me)
New B21 entered by Hire Racing for Peter Hanson ( which car is this??)

In practise John Hine has puncture & huge shunt and car catches fire and burns for a long time until there was not much is left of it
Amazingly this car is never seen again yet like the phoenix it rise from the ashes 35 years later!

June 25 Geoff Richardson advert B19 FVC a sraced by Richard Scott at Martini international £5250= this is B19#30 car
July 6 Cranberry Lodge Garage advertises with photos B19 and ex Tommy Reid championship winning Brabham BT30 roller

[Bryan Miller]

B21-72-27 as mentioned by Drifty on page 4 of this thread is for sale in the USA called out as ex Phil Scragg with later 2.0litre Can-Am history at www.steelwings.com

Bryan.

[driftwood]

we have been there on that car 3 pages ago at first i thought it might be B19 updated but Scragg did order new B21 before he had teh B19 3 litre car
he did not keep the B21 for long

[driftwood]

Autosport 72 info
July 13 Villa Real race peter hanson in Roger Hires gleaming new orange B21 with unused 1800 Smith FVC bought from Phill Scragg
Hansons car is described as built up form B16 spare parts fitted to new body chassis suspension so what B16 are thes be B21-27 Scragg car on loan)

[driftwood]

Just had some 1975 info on B21-2 confirmed
a pal of mine Stewart Chubb bought a B23 in late 1975 to run drivers in some european races-he told me a few weeks ago he bought his car from Paulenco racing and i knew that they had advertised 2 cars for sale in late 72 as below
last night i questioned him on the car and aske dif it was a pukka B23 or a B21 which he confirmed it was and i asked was it chassis 2 the Twaites car and he confrimed it was Twaites car
He sold it either late 75 or ealy 76 to a french hillclimber because he then bought from Martin aymond T292 hu40 to run in 76
8 Dec 1972
it is not in classifed section more towards the front of AS a half page advert with photos
Paulenco Racing offer for sale
B21/3 ex Trevor Twaites (should be B21-72-2
B21/3 ex J Burton Cannon racing car
NB yes i know ad quotes both cars with same chassis number Twaites is not correct neither is the Burton car as B21-72-3 is the Welpton Smith car and they still have that car in late summer of 73 for sale
Burton raced B21-72-12
also Johnson/Stubbs race B21-2 in Angola august 73

Then another advert for the car
Feb 7 1974
Paulenco Racing Ltd offers Chevron B23 ex Trevor Twaites Angolan championship winning car complete 2 litre BDA T200 £3700 no offers
NB this is B21-72-2

[allenbrown]

By "B21/3", I think they meant B21/B23, i.e. a B21 to B23 specification, not B21 chassis number 3.

[driftwood]

Batman you could be right!!!! never thought of it like that but of course back then it was all new so it would have been taken that way!!
anyway i spoke to Stewart again he kept B21-2 till end of 76 entered car under Victoria Sporting Club in many 76 events but i have not yet read the 76 AS mags
he cannot recall which frenchman took his car so i now think it is time for some Autodiva researching need to haul in the 2 french men gunston and amicalemans

[Team Gunston]

Well, I am there, but I don't have the answer regarding B21-72-02. Sorry gentlemen. I wonder, though, if this car was not one of the "unknown" Chevrons among the photos I have e-mailed to Allen : the white and yellow car at Col St-Pierre hillclimb, 1977...

[driftwood]

can u post foto here? if not allen send me that foto
stewart said car was white livery i can email it to him for confirmation
any names to this car you talk of?
on auto diva site i did see chevron b19 -21 or 23 with for sale board or some info relating to it being from UK i think that car is possibly the car in question OR the ex John Cleland hillclimb car he used

[Team Gunston]

This is the car I was thinkink of :



No driver name in mind unfortunately... Don't have 1977 issues of Echappement anymore...

[Team Gunston]

And please, note that (AFAIK) this car is not the ex-Red Rose chassis B23-73-08 that found its way to France in 1977 too. That pukka B23 was dark blue and driven by Jean-Pierre Lecomte in the West of France (while Col St-Pierre is in Southern France).

[driftwood]

I think b23-8 is the ex Cleland car he hillclimbed as his for sale advert did call it ex red rose car
i have sent the foto you kindly hosted to my chum
the car has B26 tail with wing on it

[driftwood]

My chum called me today to say the photo does look like his car as he said the rear wing looks the same so lets "assume " the car is b21-72-2 and later Im sure it will come out in the wash

[driftwood]

Just had some confirmation on B21-72-1 ownership history confirmed by the man who sold the car in 1975
chassis 1 was built for willie tucket and andrew fletcher using the running gear off their B16 onto a new B21 frame body kit
This car raced in 72 and was advertsied by andew in august 1973 and subsequently sold to Alex Seldon to race in the 1974 Tricentrol sports car championship with sposnsorship from Trane Air Conditioning of London
The car is then advertsied by Alex Seldon for sale end of 74 and into early 1975 and is purchased by Mike Fowler from westone super mare
the car seems to be used for a short period of time and advertised in AS July 12 for sale

The car is bought by Road & Track (Mike Gue) and advertised for sale AS July 31 1975
Mike confirmed to me he drove the car twice and sold the car BACK to Willie Tucket

some questions to answer
1 where did Alex Seldon reside in this period?
was it Cranligh/ Slinfold on the surrey sussex border?
reason i ask is that a car is advertised for many months with the tel nos from this area for day and evening calls and i wanted to confirm or eliminate this from my list of cars for sale list ive created
2 what results did he achieve and anyone have photos of the car in period
3 anyone know who mike fowler is and what events did he compete in?
Im assuming he was a sprinter not a circuit racer

[Jeremy Hall]

Alex Seldon did live in the Seldon /Cranleigh area-his company IIRC was Seldon Air Conditioning

[driftwood]

Thanks for this info
interesting he was air con man yet he had sponsorship from london air con firm! Or am i getting confused with ian harrower getting air con sponsorship and im rambling without looking at my notes but hey whats new !

[p261brm]

Originally Posted by allenbrown

Vallelunga (Round 1) 23 Apr 1972 (MN 27 Apr 1972 p9)

D. Red Rose/Tergal: Hine (1.9 Alan Smith FVC) = B21-72-7 or B21-72-8
E. Red Rose/Tergal: Juncadella = B21-72-7 or B21-72-8
F. Red Rose/Tergal: Paco Josa (replacing Bosch) = the B21-bodied B19 again?
G. Canon Cameras: Burton (1.9 "Big Smith") = B21-72-12A
J. Canon Cameras: Wollek = B21-72-14
K. Olivar (Funda FVC) = B21-72-6

Two more "new" cars. Wollek's B21-72-14 is also out for the first time, as is Max Olivar's B21-72-6.

Spa 1000 kms 7 May 1972 (MN 11 May 1972 pp12-14)

A. Robinson/Migault ("B19/21" but presumably a B21)
B. Twaites/McInerny ("B19/21" but presumably a B21)
C. Smith/Welpton ("B19/21" but presumably a B21)
D. Hine/Bridges ("B19/21" but presumably a B21)
E. Bosch/Josa ("B19/21" but presumably a B21)
I. Heavens/Garton ("B19" but presumably a B21)

Indeed all 21's, Hine Bridges 3rd overall, Humble/May 6th overall
DSJ Motorsport June 1972 page 611
Humble also ran at Vallelunga

[driftwood]

B21 # 6 has come across my radar as a previous owner was in my shop so i was able to get some info looking toi fil lin some gaps
Car was sold new to Max cohen Olivar in 72 and car was for sale restored race ready in 2007 with Hall & Hall ( i have fotos of car and fia papers) so looking for some period race info on a Chevron B21 on the mountaions in the 70`s
does the name Charlie Carcrieve ( spelling may be wrong) Sorro/Sorrow race cars mean owt?
He raced the car on the Mountains
will post more info tomorrow when in my office to read the notes but the story is that Charlie had the car early 80`s in his garage less eng gbox and was fitting or had run the car with renault 1700 ish cc engine gbox

It seems Charlie bought the car off the French Chevron agent circa 73/4 as Max C-O either ordered new chevron or just sold his B21 to the agent and bought some other car
so what can the French rac emagazines and hillclimb results throw up?

The car was bought off Charlie by Phillip Fravallo he restored the car and sold it later circa early 1990`s via Marc Widar to Nicolet so i imagine it was Nicolet that instructed H & H to market the car in 07 ( i think he still owns it? will ask Rob) more ( accurate) info tomorrow

[henk4]

Nicolet raced 21-6 in the CER in 2007-8 and then moved up to a March 75S. Some other french guy drove the car in 2009, but I think it is still owned by Nicolet. If you want I can contact Nicolet to verify your history of the car.

[driftwood]

1 it was march 74S#6 DFV car
2 the guy im sure is fred? he has classic f3 car he raced i need to dig out his mail to me on his f3 car i did see his name on CER result and a foto but car was not in Tergal colours
3 yes ask Nicolet if he gave car to H&H for sale and decided to keep the car ( not like he needs the $ though is it!!!!)

[henk4]

Originally Posted by driftwood

1 it was march 74S#6 DFV car
2 the guy im sure is fred? he has classic f3 car he raced i need to dig out his mail to me on his f3 car i did see his name on CER result and a foto but car was not in Tergal colours
3 yes ask Nicolet if he gave car to H&H for sale and decided to keep the car ( not like he needs the $ though is it!!!!)

The 2009 driver was Frederick da Rocha, who also did the 2009 LMS in the Ibanez Courage. Colour scheme was slightly different, first pic the car in 2007 (Nicolet at the wheel), second shot August 2009 CER Nuerburgring.
I'll ask for the status of the car. (A month ago they were not sure whether they would do the CER in 2010, because Oak took over Pescarolo contruction efforts).
And yes, the March is 74S6.

[p261brm]

Two more for Allen; Paris 1000Kms Rouen 1972, Red Rose/Tergal B21 in background:: Driver excuses after practice[sorry Qualy] and after race

Rouen1972paris1000ks.jpg (351.0 KB)

[p261brm]

Originally Posted by driftwood

Mike confirmed to me he drove the car twice and sold the car BACK to Willie Tucket

This then is the car Drifty that Tucket and Fletcher re-re-re-built as a B16 and still own?

[driftwood]

Yes it is possible BUT i need to read my notes again because i also have an advert from Autosport " WANTED" over a certain B21 that they once owned
.
I might be getting Tucket/Fletcher car mixed up with the other 2 lads who shared a car ( mind gone blank but you know who i mean)
This advert was with an address in Scotland did any of these guys live in Scotland in the mid to late 70`s
I will email this advert to you directly

[Dan Rear]

Richard Phillip and David something, Drifty?