Official Round 14 - Singapore Grand Prix @ Marina Bay - Page 5

Fox89 · 27 Sep 2009, 14:54 (Ref:2549162)

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Originally Posted by elspethhardie

wasn't there only 1 SC just everyone thought there would be another one but it never deployed

Yeah, someone needs to tell the BBC that! Lee McKenzie and Ted Kravitz both confusing drivers and engineers alike with questions about the second safety car...

Marbot · 27 Sep 2009, 15:00 (Ref:2549168)

News at 10: 'The safety car that never was'

Did someone deliberately not crash in order not to bring the safety car out!!???

elspethhardie · 27 Sep 2009, 15:01 (Ref:2549170)

Got to love EJ - in the BBC forum they were all talking about one team blocking the bringing in of larger brake pads but no names said - EJ tries to whisper to someone and says straight into mic "Williams" rest of team try and not laugh!

Fox89 · 27 Sep 2009, 15:02 (Ref:2549171)

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Originally Posted by Marbot

News at 10: 'The safety car that never was'

Did someone deliberately not crash in order not to bring the safety car out!!???

Hang on... Grosjean didn't crash! And Alonso was on the podium...

Those sneaky Renaults!!

**Bononi** · 27 Sep 2009, 15:03 (Ref:2549173)

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Originally Posted by Fox89

Hang on... Grosjean didn't crash! And Alonso was on the podium...

Those sneaky Renaults!!

A grain of luck in a desert of hard times ???

fourWheelDrift · 27 Sep 2009, 15:04 (Ref:2549174)

Mark Webber crashed but, scandalously, he deliberately ran across a big runoff area and crashed under a crane well off the track tut tut.

Marbot · 27 Sep 2009, 15:07 (Ref:2549177)

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Originally Posted by fourWheelDrift

Mark Webber crashed but, scandalously, he deliberately ran across a big runoff area and crashed under a crane well off the truck tut tut.

Webber didn't read the script did he.

calibrax · 27 Sep 2009, 16:46 (Ref:2549210)

Alonso just proved beyond any doubt that he's a complete idiot.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/78965

Marbot · 27 Sep 2009, 17:12 (Ref:2549230)

Webber seems to be unhappy about having to swap position with Alonso and Glock.

http://www.itv-f1.com/news_article.aspx?id=47008

jab · 27 Sep 2009, 17:13 (Ref:2549232)

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Originally Posted by calibrax

Alonso just proved beyond any doubt that he's a complete idiot.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/78965

What's wrong with that? I say good on him for having the balls to give credit to the man that discovered him and made him the superstar that he is today

**Adam43** · 27 Sep 2009, 17:17 (Ref:2549236)

Nice one Alonso

Super Hans · 27 Sep 2009, 17:17 (Ref:2549238)

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Originally Posted by calibrax

Alonso just proved beyond any doubt that he's a complete idiot.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/78965

Why? Briatore and Alonso are friends and have enjoyed a very successful working relationship.

**Adam43** · 27 Sep 2009, 17:20 (Ref:2549241)

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Originally Posted by Marbot

Webber seems to be unhappy about having to swap position with Alonso and Glock.

http://www.itv-f1.com/news_article.aspx?id=47008

I don't see the problem from Webber's point of view. In Valencia he was straight on the radio asking for Button to move over. The difference is that Button didn't gain a position, rather didn't lose it. Here he had to give up two places, unfortunate, but living by his own request. They needed to get Webber behind Alonso and Alonso behind Glock. The later had already happened.

I do have a problem overall. I don't think Button should have given up the place in Valencia, and I think Webber was OK here too.

JeremySmith · 27 Sep 2009, 17:23 (Ref:2549245)

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Originally Posted by calibrax

Alonso just proved beyond any doubt that he's a complete idiot.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/78965

I had no problem with it at all..

**Born Racer** · 27 Sep 2009, 17:27 (Ref:2549246)

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That sounds like the weather forecast...

I only had a moment to make a quick comment, but said everything I needed to. Sometimes, concise is better.

Marbot · 27 Sep 2009, 17:27 (Ref:2549247)

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Originally Posted by Adam43

I do have a problem overall. I don't think Button should have given up the place in Valencia, and I think Webber was OK here too.

I was thinking back to that race too.

Webber didn't hesitate to tell his team that Button should give him the position back.Button didn't seem to have any choice but to cut the chicane since Webber had pretty much forced him to take that route anyway.

rallycrosscraig · 27 Sep 2009, 17:31 (Ref:2549249)

the most boring 2 hours ever, how can it be called a race when its impossible to overtake, going off line = dust/marbles/debris so how is anyone going to overtake?

a waste of 2 hrs of everyones viewing time.

zzzzzzz

**Born Racer** · 27 Sep 2009, 17:31 (Ref:2549250)

They should make the track anything up until the barriers. That'll solve the inconsistency and also make it a proper street circuit.

JeremySmith · 27 Sep 2009, 17:36 (Ref:2549254)

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Originally Posted by Born Racer

I only had a moment to make a quick comment, but said everything I needed to. Sometimes, concise is better.

You are absolutely right, I was just pulling your leg..

fourWheelDrift · 27 Sep 2009, 17:38 (Ref:2549255)

Webber moved out to make a pass on the outside, Alonso stuck to his line as he was entitled to do and Webber had to drop back behind Alonso or run off the outside of the corner. On many tracks Webber would have found himself on grass, lost traction and ended up behind anyway, this is how it is supposed to work. Instead Webber put all four wheels off the track onto the tarmac run off (no grass here) and passed Alonso. To me this was absolutely clear - a place gained by putting all four wheels off the track, had he not dropped back he would quite rightly have got a drive through. If we are to have a semblance of fairness in formula 1 we need to see the rules enforced properly and not a return to some of the daft penalties we have seen in the past but this was a clear case of asking a driver to give back an advantage gained illegally, although it was unfortunate that Glock passed Alonso before Webber gave the place back.

fourWheelDrift · 27 Sep 2009, 17:40 (Ref:2549257)

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Originally Posted by Born Racer

They should make the track anything up until the barriers. That'll solve the inconsistency and also make it a proper street circuit.

I am inclined to agree but of course if they did that there would be no run off and the health and safety police would shut the circuit down.

**Adam43** · 27 Sep 2009, 18:37 (Ref:2549287)

The H&S police could be put to use in the concrete barriers

chunder · 27 Sep 2009, 19:17 (Ref:2549320)

Real shame is with the track that way it was being so dirty, the racing was largely non existent!

When you see Rosberg struggling to pass a car he is probly 2 secs a lap faster then you know its bad.

New rules, same old lack of passing! (some places)

Marbot · 27 Sep 2009, 19:21 (Ref:2549322)

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Originally Posted by Adam43

The H&S police could be put to use in the concrete barriers

Unlikely,since they would be unwilling to ever leave their homes,never mind venture out into something so inherently dangerous as an automobile or an aeroplane.

**Born Racer** · 27 Sep 2009, 19:54 (Ref:2549345)

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You are absolutely right, I was just pulling your leg..

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If we are to have a semblance of fairness in formula 1 we need to see the rules enforced properly and not a return to some of the daft penalties we have seen in the past but this was a clear case of asking a driver to give back an advantage gained illegally, although it was unfortunate that Glock passed Alonso before Webber gave the place back.

I figure the source of Mark Webber's sense of lack of justification was more the inconsistency of penalties, using the good example of Raikkonen's La Source move.

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