IMSA DPi Discussion

[mariantic]

Originally Posted by jimclark

...what in 'ell is DPi? hrug"

At the risk of being accused of self-promotion JC ...catch up here:-

http://mariantic.co.uk/lmp/DPI.asp

Mariantic

[MagVanisher]

@Maelochs
Regarding balance, I'm hoping that IMSA won't constantly update every race. Yet again, I don't want to see and hear prototypes having the same performance such as torque, etc.

[jimclark]

Originally Posted by Akrapovic

Short answer:

ACOs LMP2 chassis, with GT3 engines, and new bodywork associated with the GT3 engine manufacturer. So a team will buy an LMP2 chassis and then a GT3 engine (lets say - Nissan) and Nissan will have Nissan branded and styled bodywork to go with the engine.

To be run in the IMSA Series only.

Thanks, but no thanks...

The short answer is Daytona Prototype international. (thank you mariantic, didn't need all that, just what the initials are fer but t'anks all the same. 'Twas right on top)

[HORNDAWG]

Originally Posted by Akrapovic

Short answer:

ACOs LMP2 chassis, with GT3 engines, and new bodywork associated with the GT3 engine manufacturer. So a team will buy an LMP2 chassis and then a GT3 engine (lets say - Nissan) and Nissan will have Nissan branded and styled bodywork to go with the engine.

To be run in the IMSA Series only.

The DPi will be a complete unit when bought from one of the 4 approved constructors.









L.P.

[Maelochs]

DPi = not too good, but nowhere near as bad as it could have been.

[ATLFalconsFAN]

Originally Posted by Akrapovic

Also not a fan of Dots Per Inch either. I'd much rather have something like LMP-A. Le Mans Prototype - America.

It's an LMP base for America. Not a Daytona Prototype base for the rest of the world. Just my take on it.

This!

[Matt]

Yes, let's name it after a race that it cannot compete in in the same spec as it does in America.

[Dyson Mazda]

Originally Posted by ATLFalconsFAN

This!

For some reason feel the need to bring up the

P1 (DPi)
P2 (PC)
GT1 (GTLM)
GT2 (GTD)

idea again

[TF110]

Just call it prototype. PC is prototype challenge. Should be PS- prototype spec then GT and GTA (amateur). They gotta put in daytona for some reason. Probably because it likens itself to NASCAR, not because it runs at the track, imo.

[Lanky Turtle]

Originally Posted by TF110

Just call it prototype. PC is prototype challenge. Should be PS- prototype spec then GT and GTA (amateur). They gotta put in daytona for some reason. Probably because it likens itself to NASCAR, not because it runs at the track, imo.

I think IMSA has already said the top class will be called Prototype, just like it is now with DP and P2 cars, but next year the DPi term would just be used to differentiate from the ACO P2 cars which are also in the Prototype class. I don't think they'd use PS for anything because it sounds too much like BS

[HORNDAWG]

Originally Posted by Lanky Turtle

I think IMSA has already said the top class will be called Prototype, just like it is now with DP and P2 cars, but next year the DPi term would just be used to differentiate from the ACO P2 cars which are also in the Prototype class. I don't think they'd use PS for anything because it sounds too much like BS

They have. But don't start talking reality man , it does not fit into the narrative being spewed.






L.P.

[Akrapovic]

Originally Posted by Matt

Yes, let's name it after a race that it cannot compete in in the same spec as it does in America.

Then it'd fit the naming convention of GTLM then.

Anyway it's the same with LMP3s. They're origin is the ACO and Le Mans rules packages. That is where the DPis coming from. Whether they race there or not, the origin of the car is Le Mans.

For shortening purposes, the LM is often dropped and cars get called P1 and P2. So this case they'd get shortened to Prototype America. That's kinda cool.

[Maelochs]

Seems like its time for Mr. Atherton to write another half-million dollar check to some firm to devise a class name, just as he wrote one for series name and logo that were never used after the first race where it is introduced.

[DeezPutz]

Fake outrage is the best outrage.

Now I wished they had named it PDP or Praise Dale Protyope.

[DeezPutz]

Originally Posted by Lanky Turtle

I think IMSA has already said the top class will be called Prototype, just like it is now with DP and P2 cars, but next year the DPi term would just be used to differentiate from the ACO P2 cars which are also in the Prototype class. I don't think they'd use PS for anything because it sounds too much like BS

You're ruining the narrative.

[Maelochs]

Originally Posted by DeezPutz

Fake outrage is the best outrage.

Now I wished they had named it PDP or Praise Dale Protyope.

North American Sports Car All-purpose Racer

[Matt]

Originally Posted by Akrapovic

Then it'd fit the naming convention of GTLM then.

Anyway it's the same with LMP3s. They're origin is the ACO and Le Mans rules packages. That is where the DPis coming from. Whether they race there or not, the origin of the car is Le Mans.

For shortening purposes, the LM is often dropped and cars get called P1 and P2. So this case they'd get shortened to Prototype America. That's kinda cool.

Erm, outside of bop the cars competing in GTLM compete at Le Mans...

[Akrapovic]

Originally Posted by Matt

Erm, outside of bop the cars competing in GTLM compete at Le Mans...

BMW...?

GTLM = GTE, except for the cars that aren't.
GTD = GT3, except for the cars that aren't.

And that's fine. It doesn't need to be an exact copy. But the BMW will most likely never see Le Mans, yet it's in a GT Le Mans class. So what's the problem with a LMP-A? That the cars won't race at Le Mans? Well they're more Le Mans based than the BMW GTLM Car.

Of course it's just all a name, so really not important and in this case, completely opinion. I just don't like the idea of renaming the entire thing from a Le Mans Prototype to a Daytona Prototype, when the core is still a Le Mans Prototype. Credit when it's due, etc.

[Dyson Mazda]

Do you guys think there is any chance that IMSA goes with DPi Pro/Am to replace PC. Shank and AXR already fit the needs with Pew/Curran. Starworks bought a Riley. CORE & PR1 have looked at the step up to P2 in the past. This idea could also attract Krohn, Brown, and Ricardo Gonzalez back to the US and makes more sense for WEC/ELMS Pro/Am teams to do the 36 Hours of Florida.

[Deleted]

No LMPC will be there in 2030, with Frankenstein Orecas in some "EVO" form or whatever, because they are too scared to hurt anyones feelings.

Anyway artificial Pro/Am sub classing for same cars is just as bad, and has spread like cancer, so I don't hope for that either.

[Madkart]

Originally Posted by Dyson Mazda

Do you guys think there is any chance that IMSA goes with DPi Pro/Am to replace PC. Shank and AXR already fit the needs with Pew/Curran. Starworks bought a Riley. CORE & PR1 have looked at the step up to P2 in the past. This idea could also attract Krohn, Brown, and Ricardo Gonzalez back to the US and makes more sense for WEC/ELMS Pro/Am teams to do the 36 Hours of Florida.

I sure wouldn't mind seeing that... or the integration of the LMP3 platform to replace PC. Although I think I read PC won't change until the end of the 2017 season.

[wdave0]

So, even IF ACO would accommodate an IMSA car with FIA bodywork, how would an all pro driver line-up work?

[Dyson Mazda]

Originally Posted by wdave0

So, even IF ACO would accommodate an IMSA car with FIA bodywork, how would an all pro driver line-up work?

One of their Pros would have to be a silver (Pruett, Negri, Diaz, etc.)

[Coach Ep]

plus

Le Mans 24 Hours: Spec Gibson engine or grandfathered current LMP2 engines (in grandfathered chassis)* ACO/ IMSA discussion on eligibility and balancing of engines is still “under discussion”.

Don't be surprised to see the allowed* OEM engines at a (significant) BoP disadvantage compared to the spec Gibson one.
(* for LM only- I seriously doubt the ACO will let the Nissan 'P1' in after last year's debacle for example.)

[Matt]

Originally Posted by Akrapovic

BMW...?

GTLM = GTE, except for the cars that aren't.
GTD = GT3, except for the cars that aren't.

And that's fine. It doesn't need to be an exact copy. But the BMW will most likely never see Le Mans, yet it's in a GT Le Mans class. So what's the problem with a LMP-A? That the cars won't race at Le Mans? Well they're more Le Mans based than the BMW GTLM Car.

Of course it's just all a name, so really not important and in this case, completely opinion. I just don't like the idea of renaming the entire thing from a Le Mans Prototype to a Daytona Prototype, when the core is still a Le Mans Prototype. Credit when it's due, etc.

If BMW wanted to run the car at Le Mans, they'd get the entry from the ACO, just like what happened with the M3, and what would have happened with the Z4 if it wasn't such a steaming pile in a straight line.