Lotto Grid for Melbourne (merged) - Page 5

Kicking-back · 5 Mar 2005, 12:54 (Ref:1243279)

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Originally Posted by 1200Datto27

From talking to a couple of the BAR mechanics, the reason for Sato stuffing it in the wall was a recurrence ofthe gearbox fault that sidelined him in practice 4. Apparently the gb shifted into nuetral mid corner, upsetting the car and also not letting him catch the slide.

Ah.

I'm sure that won't stop some continuing their bashing of Sato.

"Shouldn't be in F1" indeed!

Rossi # 46 · 5 Mar 2005, 12:54 (Ref:1243280)

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Originally Posted by maximus

Very interesting qualifying (shame it isn't the final grid) the conditions were perfect for interesting results but I felt so sorry for Massa. I knew he was screwed as I saw him go into the first corner. Not a good way to start your 2005 season.

It may not be the final grid, however it is going to be hard for 90% of the drivers to make there way further up the grid.

That is of course unless we get weather like today again.

Knowlesy · 5 Mar 2005, 13:00 (Ref:1243285)

I was quite dissapointed with Sato, but turns out wasn't his fault! Phew!

This aggregate qualifying thing is a mixed bag isn't it?

On the one side, we've got one hell of a grid for Sunday and there will be some serious overtaking.

On the other hand, second qualifying is a non-event. From a trackside perspective, that has to be rather dissapointing.

Looking forward to the race though, as Ralph Firman might say!

The McLaren looks awesome from what I've seen of it in the dry. It looks SO DRIVEABLE and forgiving. Even in the wet it looked a piece of cake for Juan and Kimi. That is going to be an incredible car all season!

The Renault similarly......Fisichellas lap, the car didn't move at all. It was glued to the track!

Red · 5 Mar 2005, 13:09 (Ref:1243290)

The aggregate stuff only works in a 2 perfect sessions conditions (i.e be it both 100% wet or dry). And it's kinda good, 12 laps in 1 hour was by far better. However, the initial goal of that silly 1 single lap quals was exactly what we withnessed a few hours back: mix the grid by the means of whatever luck, hailstorms or something else. And in this case the second session is just waste of time, engines, fuel, tyre, resources and my sleep time. But finally Mr Maximilian Rufus Mosley (sir) got what he wanted: a spectacular grid meant to increase entertainment. (took him a couple years, if you ask me; drawing names from a hat would have get much faster results

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Knowlesy · 5 Mar 2005, 13:20 (Ref:1243294)

If such a qualifying session decided the outcome of the championship, it would be rather irritating as well.

Just bring back proper qualifying. Oh no, silly me, the engine and tyre rules wouldn't match up to such an idea.......

Rossi # 46 · 5 Mar 2005, 13:22 (Ref:1243295)

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Originally Posted by knowlesy

The McLaren looks awesome from what I've seen of it in the dry. It looks SO DRIVEABLE and forgiving. Even in the wet it looked a piece of cake for Juan and Kimi. That is going to be an incredible car all season!

I agree, and can only hope it continues this way.

Kicking-back · 5 Mar 2005, 13:22 (Ref:1243296)

What do you mean "if such a session decided the outcome of the championship"?

The points scored over the whole year decide that.

A qualifying session at the final race of the year is no more significant than that at the first, fourth, fourteenth or whatever.

Knowlesy · 5 Mar 2005, 13:27 (Ref:1243299)

If the two drivers go into the final race tied on points and one gets pole by virtue of a dry track and the other is last by virtue of a wet track, you'd be satisfied with that?

Drivers can no longer time their runs themselves and it's all down to luck now, a total lottery. Should championships be decided by lottery? No.

If it happened in the final round, a seasons hard work lies at the mercy of some black clouds. Not good.

Red · 5 Mar 2005, 13:27 (Ref:1243300)

I believe that if after the last race the championship was won by 1-2 points sepparating first 3 drivers, and one of the previous gp's were decided by god's influence on weather, that would be rather irritating.

Knowlesy · 5 Mar 2005, 13:29 (Ref:1243301)

Red, that's exactly what I'm getting at.

Red · 5 Mar 2005, 13:30 (Ref:1243302)

Oops, apparently we posted simultaneuosly

ASCII Man · 5 Mar 2005, 13:50 (Ref:1243312)

So it could all come down to God?
Might be good, might boost the image of religion...

Oh wait, that's no good...

maximus · 5 Mar 2005, 14:04 (Ref:1243318)

Just watching the quali again now and yes I think Sato was going too fast on his out lap. However looking at him spinning towards the camera in the replay it looks like he was on Intermediates not full wets! An odd tyre choice if you ask me.

luke · 5 Mar 2005, 14:06 (Ref:1243322)

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Originally Posted by maximus

looks like he was on Intermediates not full wets! An odd tyre choice if you ask me.

Well I think when they made the decsion, the track was drying up, or when t started to rain, not the monsoon weather that caused drivers to spin on their in/out lap!

BootsOntheSide · 5 Mar 2005, 14:23 (Ref:1243327)

This was a joke. I've been sayign for 2 years that, while the one-shot system is okay in the dry, random grids from the wet are not good for the sport. Even World Superbikes, which has long been famed for its 'Superpole' qualifying shoot-out, replaces it with a 12-lap 50-minute session when the weather's an issue. Assumign that session 2 doesn't have a similarly random outcome, the session's a waste of time, and we can't get any impression as to how the season's system will go.

The only people who've benefitted from it all are the "everyone hates Webber because he's an Aussie and can't give him any credit" crowd who want to use this session as conclusive evidence of how good Mark is (for the record I was impressed by his lap, but the 3-second margin represented nothing other than luck, or more exactly getting further in Brazil last year), and the "Sato's useless" crowd who didn't bother to check their facts before criticising Takuma (one of the few drivers who never crashed out of a race in 2004).

It's nice to see Fisichella get some luck, Karthikeyan did well as did Albers, I was impressed with JV's lap under the circumstances, and the single-lap concern for DC still exists, but overall there are still more questions than answers.

Red · 5 Mar 2005, 14:33 (Ref:1243328)

Cheers mate, I've been saying that as well.

Anyway, no recent rules are actually trying to help the sport, that's not their intention anyway. They're meant to help "entertainment". And, strangely, people are happy with that.

oh well.

Marbot · 5 Mar 2005, 14:44 (Ref:1243333)

It doesn't matter what qualifying system you have.Wet or dry,conditions won't be exactly the same for everyone.

Maybe in second qually we might get a reverse of fortunes.TGF goes out when it's dry,Fisi when it's tipping down.All's fare in love,war and F1.

Kicking-back · 5 Mar 2005, 14:50 (Ref:1243339)

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Originally Posted by knowlesy

If the two drivers go into the final race tied on points and one gets pole by virtue of a dry track and the other is last by virtue of a wet track, you'd be satisfied with that?

Drivers can no longer time their runs themselves and it's all down to luck now, a total lottery. Should championships be decided by lottery? No.

If it happened in the final round, a seasons hard work lies at the mercy of some black clouds. Not good.

If two drivers go into the fourth race tied on points and that happens, the situation is no different.

The points available at each race are the same!

Red · 5 Mar 2005, 14:53 (Ref:1243340)

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Originally Posted by martyn bott

It doesn't matter what qualifying system you have.Wet or dry,conditions won't be exactly the same for everyone.

Indeed! But in old format, 1 hour 12 laps they could chose! If they guessed it wrong, it's their own incompetence. Right now, you have to respect a schedule. And pray.

PS: KB! Comeone! Of course the points are the same. That's not what we're talking about.

Red · 5 Mar 2005, 14:56 (Ref:1243342)

Marbot · 5 Mar 2005, 15:09 (Ref:1243352)

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Originally Posted by Red

Looks like you went out at the wrong time on your second one Red.

Red · 5 Mar 2005, 15:18 (Ref:1243358)

What!? Me no F1 team principal is! Me no timing able to get perfect... yes...

JeremySmith · 5 Mar 2005, 15:19 (Ref:1243359)

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Originally Posted by bestfit

MS stated in an interview after qualifying that he has gained an advantage through the weather many times in the past. This time it was his turn to luck out.
Seems like the right attitude to me. There is no use in worrying about how things aren't.

I could not agree with you more.... I like this these new rules. IMHO they will make the races far more interesting..

Red · 5 Mar 2005, 15:21 (Ref:1243362)

The racing or the results?

Marbot · 5 Mar 2005, 15:25 (Ref:1243363)

Obviously the best time to go out on a lap previously would surely have been to form an orderly queue behind TGF.

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