Future Grands Prix?

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by NaBUru38

http://carburando.com/notas/gp-de-su...entina-en-2018

Argentina president Mauricio Macri is dealing with Bernie Ecclestone to revamp the Buenos Aires circuit and host an F1 Grand Prix.

South America could certainly do with another race, I just wonder where this is going to fit in the calendar?

[S griffin]

I can see it being a few seasons before we have Argentina back though

[NaBUru38]

The article says that Buenos Aires and Interlagos would alternate.

[Mekola]

But the Galvez autodrome at Buenos Aires needs to be completely revamped!
In the 1990s, first they did a F3000 non-champ race in 1992,
was on F1 schedule in 1994 (Jerez took their place)
and finally was during 1995-98, with an option for three more years that Bernie discarded in favour of Sepang circuit.

Alas, is not possible to remove the lake that is around well-known Circuit 15 used during 1974-81 GPs. It's linked with the stability of the Riachuelo-Matanza river.

[Rob29]

Originally Posted by Mekola

But the Galvez autodrome at Buenos Aires needs to be completely revamped!
In the 1990s, first they did a F3000 non-champ race in 1992,
was on F1 schedule in 1994 (Jerez took their place)
and finally was during 1995-98, with an option for three more years that Bernie discarded in favour of Sepang circuit.

Alas, is not possible to remove the lake that is around well-known Circuit 15 used during 1974-81 GPs. It's linked with the stability of the Riachuelo-Matanza river.

Interesting.I seem to remember what was proposed in 1994 and replaced by Jerez was a road circuit possibly the park used before the autodrome was built c1951 for the Eva Peron Cup?

[Mr Pink]

Originally Posted by Mekola

But the Galvez autodrome at Buenos Aires needs to be completely revamped!
In the 1990s, first they did a F3000 non-champ race in 1992,
was on F1 schedule in 1994 (Jerez took their place)
and finally was during 1995-98, with an option for three more years that Bernie discarded in favour of Sepang circuit.

Alas, is not possible to remove the lake that is around well-known Circuit 15 used during 1974-81 GPs. It's linked with the stability of the Riachuelo-Matanza river.

F1 on Circuit 15 would be great but I'm guessing it would be properly neutered.

[bjohnsonsmith]

I got my news letter from Silverstone and they are putting their prices up quite substantially.

http://clicks.e-connectservice.com/e...tL222W6yBk0GXw..

[Sodemo]

Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

I got my news letter from Silverstone and they are putting their prices up quite substantially.

http://clicks.e-connectservice.com/e...tL222W6yBk0GXw..

I had the same email, although I do go to Silverstone, I dont go to the F1 any more.

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by Sodemo

I had the same email, although I do go to Silverstone, I dont go to the F1 any more.

I don't go to F1 anymore either, I go to WEC and those prices won't be luring me back to F1 in a hurry.

[wnut]

Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

I don't go to F1 anymore either, I go to WEC and those prices won't be luring me back to F1 in a hurry.

Me neither!

When you start having to offer financing options for tickets, you'd think you would realize that you are squeezing your punters too hard!

Wouldn't you Bernie??!!

[Sodemo]

Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

I don't go to F1 anymore either, I go to WEC and those prices won't be luring me back to F1 in a hurry.

Well, even the WEC prices are a touch high (in my view).

Funny how all their prices shot up for most events by £5-10 after they built that new Wing complex...

I haven't been to the F1 since 2004. I attended a couple of the free tests until they started to charge for those too in around 2009 or whenever it was.

[Biscuits In A Red Bull]

What is too high though? Is it when people complain about the costs? Or is it when they refuse to pay...?

[Rob29]

Originally Posted by Biscuits In A Red Bull

What is too high though? Is it when people complain about the costs? Or is it when they refuse to pay...?

I guess the later-crowds of 100,000 have been reported since I first went in 1960 when admission was six shillings(30p)Have not been since last held at Brands Hatch 1986

[S griffin]

I've never been to an F1 race, it costs an arm and a leg, especially with hotel prices. To all those who have been to a race, you really made the dedication to going worth it

[bella]

i've been loads of times. the best one had to be when we did the german gp for pretty much £200 per person door to door with what ended up as weekend first corner grandstand tickets. even if we nearly did die of exposure

going to f1 doesn't have to be as expensive as you think but you've got to be a bit creative about it.

[chillibowl]

Originally Posted by Biscuits In A Red Bull

What is too high though? Is it when people complain about the costs? Or is it when they refuse to pay...?

the cost vs value derived from watching live would be my motivation.

that said Montreal has some very affordable price packages including a CAN$120 for Sunday only access to a grandstand with first come first serve seating.

as Bella said, get creative about it (in my case an airbnb booked much earlier in the year) and it can become a very affordable and justifiable expense.

helps that the city throws one amazing party so its worth being there even if you dont actually go to the race....really hope it stays on the calendar!

[wolfhound]

Bernie would not put his money on the Brazilian and/or the German GPs' happening next year.

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/ec...r-2017-849042/

In the German case it seems to be Hockenheim not being able to pay Bernie what he wants. Brazil is having a hangover from the Olympics and the soccer world cup and are trying to save money so I suspect there are not the same subsidies from Government circles as there might other wise be.

[Sodemo]

I guess now that Mexico is on the calendar Bernie is less bothered about losing Brazil, they still have one race in that region, or at least near it.

[Akrapovic]

Originally Posted by Sodemo

Well, even the WEC prices are a touch high (in my view).

£35 for Sunday is too high?

£145 appears to be the cheapest Sunday entry for the F1 event. 4 times more expensive, for a race that's one quarter the length.

[Rob29]

Originally Posted by Akrapovic

£35 for Sunday is too high?

£145 appears to be the cheapest Sunday entry for the F1 event. 4 times more expensive, for a race that's one quarter the length.

Afraid the price seems to depend on what they can get-back in the 60s even the smalllest clubbie(750MC) got a reasonable crowd-now all you see on TV coverage is empty blue seats and deserted banks other than British GP.

[S griffin]

Well threatening to drop two great venues proves that he needs to go now, in my view there are other venues on the calendar that are more worthy of being dropped

[Akrapovic]

Originally Posted by Rob29

Afraid the price seems to depend on what they can get-back in the 60s even the smalllest clubbie(750MC) got a reasonable crowd-now all you see on TV coverage is empty blue seats and deserted banks other than British GP.

That's because there is more grandstands now than there was in the 60s, and the blue stands out as an empty seat. That is why the new grandstands at Daytona are multi-coloured - when the camera pans passed an empty grandstand, you can't tell if it's empty.

Remember that WEC has been getting crowd figures of around 40-50k people (except Le Mans) at the European events. Whilst it won't topple F1s crown, it is nothing to be sniffed at. £35 for a full 6 hour event seems like a brilliant deal to me.

[bella]

there was also a decent crowd for the blancpain - not huge, but not small either. i can only assume it was similar to the kind of figures they get in for the touring cars. fwiw hockenheim has the same empty seat issue - unless it's a f1 style full house your eyes are always drawn towards the people that aren't there rather than those that are.

silverstone do a decent job nowadays of maximising the big events without turning them into stupidly big events that need massive crowd control and parking operations.

[Akrapovic]

Also worth noting is that at the Nurburgring, the Nurburgring 24 has a far far larger crowd that recent F1 events, and the WEC race was in the low end of the 50k figure, whilst the F1 event was only at the high end of the 50k figure - close enough that it doesn't make much difference.

Silverstone has the advantage of a British World Champion who is always a talking point too. Love him or hate him, Lewis is a personality (more so than, lets say - Coulthard ever was), and a huge draw to the event.

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by wolfhound

Bernie would not put his money on the Brazilian and/or the German GPs' happening next year.

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/ec...r-2017-849042/

In the German case it seems to be Hockenheim not being able to pay Bernie what he wants. Brazil is having a hangover from the Olympics and the soccer world cup and are trying to save money so I suspect there are not the same subsidies from Government circles as there might other wise be.

It's always about the money with Bernie.

“They spent a lot of money to have the Olympics and the World Cup, and here [Sao Paulo] hurts a little bit, the promoter trying to run this race, and make a profit, or not make a profit, but not lose. So in the end the people who lose are us, because they can’t pay us.”

Maybe if he didn't command such a exorbitant sanctioning fee in the first place, this wouldn't be an issue. So in the end the people who lose out are the Brazilian fans and F1 itself.