[Team] Red Bull: Unbullievable

[Richard C]

For what it's worth, Kym Illman (F1 photographer) is predicting the following for 2025... Daniel to replace Sergio, Liam to replace Daniel and Valtteri to retain his Sauber seat.

Who knows what is going to happen

Richard

[Skam85]

Originally Posted by Richard C

For what it's worth, Kym Illman (F1 photographer) is predicting the following for 2025... Daniel to replace Sergio, Liam to replace Daniel and Valtteri to retain his Sauber seat.

Who knows what is going to happen

Richard

I actually think he will go 0/3 with those predictions

[Richard C]

Originally Posted by Skam85

I actually think he will go 0/3 with those predictions

I do agree he is way out on a limb with his predictions. Particularly with Daniel to replace Sergio. But who knows what is going on in the minds at RB with respect to RBR and VCARB. I have no opinion regarding Audi. I think they could save money and put monkeys in those cars and it may not make much difference.

Richard

[Aysedasi]

Originally Posted by S griffin

I doubt RBR is that competitive. A win will be a tall order. As for Lawson, I can see him missing out again

Well, at least we don't have someone here now constantly interjecting from personal (but totally uncorroborated) knowledge that the Red Bull is now the slowest GP car ever....

[bathurst77]

I hope dan doest go to red bull.
I was a daniel fan, and I guess i still am. But I think its time for him to put up his hand and say "Time to do something different". At his best he is brilliant, but these days he is more often than not, far from it.
I think his star has faded. And a good performer should know when to quit.

F1 is about 20 drivers trying to be WDC. I think Dans chances of that passed 5 years or more ago. Today he is a good midfielder, but not a killer.

I would rather see new young guns get a go (and surprise - or fail) than the same old good midfielders year after year. He is not the only one...

There are a lot of drivers who deserve a chance, and a few (not just dan) who maybe should be looking at WEC, Fe, USA, or tin tops somewhere.

Bathurst is calling you Dan

[steve_r]

One of my takeaways of this weekend is that we can see from the good job that Colapinto and Bearman did that there are a few longstanding F1 drivers that could be replaced fairly easily with new talent, and they would not be missed too much.

Even if people think that Ricciardo deserves to be in F1 still, surely what is clear to everyone is that Ricciardo does not deserve to have one of the best F1 seats on the grid.

[Richard C]

Originally Posted by steve_r

Even if people think that Ricciardo deserves to be in F1 still, surely what is clear to everyone is that Ricciardo does not deserve to have one of the best F1 seats on the grid.

Current rumor of the moment is that Ricciardo is being replaced by Lawson after Singapore race.

At this point, I am think there is just so much fatigue around Red Bull driver rumors that its hard to care about any of the speculation. For example you can play the game of... Oh, Ricciardo is replacing Sergio! Or maybe he is not, but it's just variations on rumors that have been going on for months with nothing happening.

Richard

[Sandgroper]

Originally Posted by Richard C

Current rumor of the moment is that Ricciardo is being replaced by Lawson after Singapore race.

At this point, I am think there is just so much fatigue around Red Bull driver rumors that its hard to care about any of the speculation. For example you can play the game of... Oh, Ricciardo is replacing Sergio! Or maybe he is not, but it's just variations on rumors that have been going on for months with nothing happening.

Richard

Totally and I wonder if this decision is having further knock effect for the last seat in waiting.

[GTRMagic]

There are so many posts, compilations, video cuts of Mr Ricciardo across the socials.
Not all are Aussies
And truly it’s like the fella has passed away!

Yet so many reckon his treatment by the Red Bull machine has been entirely inappropriate and borderline disrespect and damaging.

The golden rule is that those with the gold make the rules.
Dr Marko has spoken and it’s over.

That Mr Ricciardo had no family or girlfriend at the circuit probably let him leave on his own terms, in his own way.

Even in the airport to go home to Perth, was still rocking a Red Bull hat.

Hard to imagine what the Sky commentators will inject into every second sentence now ‘this is Danny’s last race’ is removed from their vocabulary.

Vale Daniel Ricciardo the F1 fella
See you at your next venture in the world

[E.B]

Is it officially confirmed he is out or is it still the expectation being aired over the weekend. I couldnt see anything actually confirming it.

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by E.B

Is it officially confirmed he is out or is it still the expectation being aired over the weekend. I couldnt see anything actually confirming it.

I think in Mr Ricciardo’s mind… it is definitely done.

[E.B]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

I think in Mr Ricciardo’s mind… it is definitely done.

Yeah, I mentioned maybe in the race thread his body language post race was very much 'I know something you guys dont and its not good'.

If it is as expected I wish him all the best in whatever he pursues and hopefully we will see him in a Bathurst wildcard in 2025

[Sandgroper]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

I think in Mr Ricciardo’s mind… it is definitely done.

Has to be one of the worst assasinations by media ever on a driver. Plenty worse in the field with lesser record than him. Anyway if we believe whats been written we wont see Danny Ric again.

[Tourer]

Originally Posted by Sandgroper

Has to be one of the worst assasinations by media ever on a driver. Plenty worse in the field with lesser record than him. Anyway if we believe whats been written we wont see Danny Ric again.

Yeah - saddens me if it all ends up being true. As Max said, Dani deserves to be in F1 & there are others who don't deserve to be there.

[Akrapovic]

Originally Posted by Sandgroper

Has to be one of the worst assasinations by media ever on a driver. Plenty worse in the field with lesser record than him. Anyway if we believe whats been written we wont see Danny Ric again.

I've never read a post where I both hard agree and disagree.

There are plenty worse in the field with a worse record than Danny Ric. And drivers who do not deserve to be in F1. Hard agree.

However, media assasination? He's a media darling. Everyone talks about how much the Sky commentators love the British drivers, but they spend as much time interviewing Daniel every weekend as they do the championship contenders. No other back marker driver gets even a tenth of the attention that Daniel does. He gets much more positive camera time than Yuki does - and more than the others in the championship below him combined.

[Greem]

Originally Posted by Akrapovic

However, media assasination? He's a media darling. Everyone talks about how much the Sky commentators love the British drivers, but they spend as much time interviewing Daniel every weekend as they do the championship contenders. No other back marker driver gets even a tenth of the attention that Daniel does. He gets much more positive camera time than Yuki does - and more than the others in the championship below him combined.

The fact that he's the godfather of Natalie Pinkham's daughter is both cause and effect of how well loved he is, particularly by the Sky folks.

Of the people I've known who have worked in, around or with F1 there's not been a single one with a bad word to say about him.

[chunterer]

Nice bloke, had a good innings. Time to move on..

He said it pretty much on Sunday.

Will we see him in F1 again? Maybe as a supersub but not full time..

Is he an endurance racing type of driver, would a factory hypercar drive be appealing to him, like Aston Martin??

[GTRMagic]

#SaveDaniel

[Akrapovic]

Originally Posted by chunterer

Nice bloke, had a good innings. Time to move on..

He said it pretty much on Sunday.

Will we see him in F1 again? Maybe as a supersub but not full time..

Is he an endurance racing type of driver, would a factory hypercar drive be appealing to him, like Aston Martin??

You mean future Indy 500 winner Daniel Riccardo?

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by Akrapovic

You mean future Indy 500 winner Daniel Riccardo?

Ed Carpenter is looking to fill the seats in the No. 20 and 21 cars.

[chillibowl]

if DR is out which presumably means he will not be an option for next season, does the knock on effect mean RBR are locking themselves in with Perez for next season?

[Richard C]

Originally Posted by chillibowl

if DR is out which presumably means he will not be an option for next season, does the knock on effect mean RBR are locking themselves in with Perez for next season?

Comments elsewhere are saying the reason for this late season change now (vs 2025) is to measure Lawson against Yuki. For whatever reason, RB had decided to keep Yuki at VCARB and not promote him up. But Lawson however, he might be a Perez replacement. If Lawson does very well against Yuki, then he might be promoted to RB to replace Perez next year. Speculation also included moving Perez down to VCARB! However I find that somewhat unrealistic.

Richard

[Akrapovic]

Originally Posted by Richard C

Comments elsewhere are saying the reason for this late season change now (vs 2025) is to measure Lawson against Yuki. For whatever reason, RB had decided to keep Yuki at VCARB and not promote him up. But Lawson however, he might be a Perez replacement. If Lawson does very well against Yuki, then he might be promoted to RB to replace Perez next year. Speculation also included moving Perez down to VCARB! However I find that somewhat unrealistic.

Richard

"VCARB exists to promote drivers to the main team. No, not you Yuki."

I don't think Yuki is particularly amazing, but in less than 18 months he ended the F1 careers of De Vries and Riccardo. I'm not sure what else he needs to do to get a shot at the seat that RBR want Perez out of.

[Richard C]

Originally Posted by Akrapovic

"VCARB exists to promote drivers to the main team. No, not you Yuki."

I don't think Yuki is particularly amazing, but in less than 18 months he ended the F1 careers of De Vries and Riccardo. I'm not sure what else he needs to do to get a shot at the seat that RBR want Perez out of.

I agree with all of this. I can only assume that RB rates him as is good, but not good enough for "long term". And I don't know the exact history of why Yuki is at VCARB, but I assume it is tied to Honda wanting a Japanese driver in the series.

I honestly see RB ditching Yuki at the earliest opportunity post 2025 (once Honda is no longer a RB partner). Not that I agree with that logic. I think Red Bull makes weird driver decisions.

Richard

[EastonNeston]

how about Max and Yuki at Aston Martin in 2026. Yuki is Honda's current F1 choice and AM will be using Honda Engines in 2026