GT3 Manufacturers... - Page 51

Rodger Davies · 24 Feb 2016, 00:05 (Ref:3617190)

I'm not sure that's true, they don't have to pay any of those costs as the series isn't linked to the ruleset in the way that, say, DTM is. They build a GT3 car. I think the reason for the manufacturer's permission to be needed is so as not to end up with many multiple versions of the same car built by different people.

Clearly the world is starting to go that way, with IMSA being the most obvious example in sportscars, but I'm not sure Blancpain or the N24 have these requirements yet, just one that they participate in X number of races to qualify for the one they want. I could well be wrong on this one, maybe there is more to it.

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Originally Posted by MoMedic9019

If I approach Jaguar or whatnot, and say, "hey, this is a project I want to do" They will approve or deny.. should you be a semi professional outfit, there is little reason to suspect a denial would happen.

As you say, it does happen. We know Lambo have refused Reiter the chance to keep developing their cars due to them wanting to take it in-house, obviously Callaway have had to jump through all sorts of hoops for GM to allow them permission to homologate the C7.

In rallying, the Mitsubishi R5 car is having a similar issue, where the private tuner has built the cars (with support from their local arm of Mitsubishi) but can't get it homologated due to the main company saying 'no'.

It wouldn't surprise me if Jaguar have refused companies permission to develop the F-Type in order to keep their options open.

**skycafe** · 24 Feb 2016, 00:52 (Ref:3617196)

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Originally Posted by Rodger Davies

It wouldn't surprise me if Jaguar have refused companies permission to develop the F-Type in order to keep their options open.

Options open, and also save the embarrassment of a program that fails. Jaguar had a bit of an embarrassment in the ALMS in GT2(or GTLM or whatever it was called)

HORNDAWG · 24 Feb 2016, 00:56 (Ref:3617197)

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Originally Posted by MoMedic9019

No it isn't. SRO wants to force the manufacturing money in for their own benefit.

If Reiter, or RML, or whoever build a car, they won't be charged with marketing and manu fees like the OEM. They only pay the entry fees.

Oh just stop it! Enough of this obfuscation. This all goes back to the misbegotten thought that the 'privateer' can build their own car. They can't, it MUST go through the guidelines set down by FIA in how and who homologates a car, period. If one were to satisfy that process then they could build a car, but, it is far from 'homebuilt'!

L.P.

MoMedic9019 · 24 Feb 2016, 04:06 (Ref:3617216)

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Originally Posted by HORNDAWG

Oh just stop it! Enough of this obfuscation. This all goes back to the misbegotten thought that the 'privateer' can build their own car. They can't, it MUST go through the guidelines set down by FIA in how and who homologates a car, period. If one were to satisfy that process then they could build a car, but, it is far from 'homebuilt'!

I think I've explained my point well enough for you to comprehend it. Clearly I'm wrong... so... let me show you in clear text.

The manufacturer DOESN'T have to build the car. A privateer can. It must simply not be one of the previously homologated models that currently maintains a valid homologation.

Part of the approval process is petitioning the manufacturer to approve said car within the SRO group.

If they do, go racing.

Here is a list of privateer/tuner approved cars who have raced GT3.

Lamborghini, Gallardo LP600+ GT3, Includes Gallardo FL2 GT3 and R-EX
Ford Mustang VDS GT3
Corvette Callaway Z06.R GT3
Jaguar XKR GT3(Emil Frey)
Ford GT GT3(Matech)

There are others.

JoestEver · 24 Feb 2016, 05:38 (Ref:3617227)

Is the Maserati GranTurismo GT3 and Reiter Camaro GT3 also FIA homologated? I'm pretty sure there's not a single drop of manufacturer involvement there. In other words, they are home tuned GT3s.

HORNDAWG · 24 Feb 2016, 05:42 (Ref:3617231)

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Originally Posted by MoMedic9019

I think I've explained my point well enough for you to comprehend it. Clearly I'm wrong... so... let me show you in clear text.

The manufacturer DOESN'T have to build the car. A privateer can. It must simply not be one of the previously homologated models that currently maintains a valid homologation.

Part of the approval process is petitioning the manufacturer to approve said car within the SRO group.

If they do, go racing.

Here is a list of privateer/tuner approved cars who have raced GT3.

Lamborghini, Gallardo LP600+ GT3, Includes Gallardo FL2 GT3 and R-EX
Ford Mustang VDS GT3
Corvette Callaway Z06.R GT3
Jaguar XKR GT3(Emil Frey)
Ford GT GT3(Matech)

There are others.

Which is exactly what my first post on the subject said, "GT3 is homologated through FIA and are subject to those guidlines.". Yet you took exception to it and have been arguing against it since. Now you prove my point with your "list of APPROVED privateer/tuners".

L.P.

Tony C · 24 Feb 2016, 05:43 (Ref:3617232)

Quote:

Originally Posted by MoMedic9019

I think I've explained my point well enough for you to comprehend it. Clearly I'm wrong... so... let me show you in clear text.

The manufacturer DOESN'T have to build the car. A privateer can. It must simply not be one of the previously homologated models that currently maintains a valid homologation.

Part of the approval process is petitioning the manufacturer to approve said car within the SRO group.

If they do, go racing.

Here is a list of privateer/tuner approved cars who have raced GT3.

Lamborghini, Gallardo LP600+ GT3, Includes Gallardo FL2 GT3 and R-EX
Ford Mustang VDS GT3
Corvette Callaway Z06.R GT3
Jaguar XKR GT3(Emil Frey)
Ford GT GT3(Matech)

There are others.

You really are not listening (there are people on here that actually know what they are talking about). All of the cars you mention except the latter Lambos were homologated under the 'old' rules where a tuner could homologate a car without the manufacturers approval. Under those rules if the manufacturer wanted to homologate a car AFTER the tuner had done it then the tuners homologation was null and void.

Reiter had approval to homologate the Gallardo, the do not have approval to do the Hurracan.

The rules changed in 2012/13? to what we now have. You have to have a letter from the manufacturer authorising you to homologate their car. The FIA will side with the manufacturer every time.

I know of some companies that have been approached, and have refused.

TF110 · 24 Feb 2016, 05:49 (Ref:3617237)

This is a pointless argument guys. Let's talk about the unseen Honda or something

Mitchi_S · 24 Feb 2016, 06:17 (Ref:3617248)

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Originally Posted by Tony C

All of the cars you mention except the latter Lambos were homologated under the 'old' rules where a tuner could homologate a car without the manufacturers approval. Under those rules if the manufacturer wanted to homologate a car AFTER the tuner had done it then the tuners homologation was null and void.

Reiter had approval to homologate the Gallardo, the do not have approval to do the Hurracan.

The rules changed in 2012/13? to what we now have. You have to have a letter from the manufacturer authorising you to homologate their car. The FIA will side with the manufacturer every time.

I know of some companies that have been approached, and have refused.

Actually, what was the reason for changing that rule?

Rodger Davies · 24 Feb 2016, 11:32 (Ref:3617318)

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Originally Posted by Tony C

The rules changed in 2012/13? to what we now have. You have to have a letter from the manufacturer authorising you to homologate their car. The FIA will side with the manufacturer every time.

I know of some companies that have been approached, and have refused.

I did not realise it was that recent, cheers for that info.

I think several of those cars had the blessing of the manufacturer; certainly the Apex Jaguars and Matech Fords did (didn't Ford build them some extra chassis at one point?) and I'm sure some of the others would have asked, even if it wasn't an FIA requirement.

With the success of the formula, it wouldn't surprise me that the rule has been put in place to try to encourage the manufacturers' involvement. For instance, they would surely prefer a works F-Type with manufacturer backing/support to another privately built one.

Excellent DSC interview with Lorenz Frey about their relationship with Jaguar and being denied the chance to do an F-Type (my interpretation) here:

http://www.dailysportscar.com/2015/0...r-options.html

Coach Ep · 24 Feb 2016, 14:12 (Ref:3617360)

FIA + manufacturers = greed. Again. Nothing to do with sport.

Why do people still have to ask...

merak1974 · 28 Feb 2016, 11:34 (Ref:3618388)

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Originally Posted by JoestEver

Is the Maserati GranTurismo GT3 and Reiter Camaro GT3 also FIA homologated? I'm pretty sure there's not a single drop of manufacturer involvement there. In other words, they are home tuned GT3s.

The Maserati GranTurismo GT3 is listed as FIA homologated until 2020 (http://www.fia.com/sites/default/fil...04.02.2016.pdf). The GT3 was developed by Swiss Team, but seemingly in agreement with the factory.

Mt. Lynx · 8 Mar 2016, 08:43 (Ref:3621144)

Anyone know if the Camaros are racing anywhere? PWC GTA? AusGT? ADAC GT?

Mark0994 · 8 Mar 2016, 11:44 (Ref:3621179)

Last i saw was on first round on 2015 ADAC GT
http://www.webcarstory.com/voiture.php?id=20079

Matt · 8 Mar 2016, 14:21 (Ref:3621219)

One ran Highlands 101 late last year.

pederb · 8 Mar 2016, 19:08 (Ref:3621279)

Anybody have any information about the Gallardo REX that Rieter is bringing to Paul Ricard for the test?

Must be an evolution of the Gallardo EX i would assume

Bcarr6 · 8 Mar 2016, 20:12 (Ref:3621306)

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Originally Posted by pederb

Anybody have any information about the Gallardo REX that Rieter is bringing to Paul Ricard for the test?

Must be an evolution of the Gallardo EX i would assume

The R-EX ran in Blancpain last year, and PWC. It's an evolution from Reiter.

Mark0994 · 9 Mar 2016, 11:14 (Ref:3621501)

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Originally Posted by Bcarr6

The R-EX ran in Blancpain last year, and PWC. It's an evolution from Reiter.

Indeed
http://www.webcarstory.com/voiture.php?id=19734

airbusA346 · 14 Mar 2016, 14:54 (Ref:3622727)

The Porsche 991 GT3 R has grown some dive planes.

Mt. Lynx · 14 Mar 2016, 16:19 (Ref:3622739)

Does anyone have any news about the GT3 NSX? Beside the rumour that it will be shown at the New York autoshow?

**joeb** · 14 Mar 2016, 18:41 (Ref:3622770)

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Originally Posted by airbusA346

The Porsche 991 GT3 R has grown some dive planes.

I love seeing cars on track with snow!

Mitchi_S · 16 Mar 2016, 12:07 (Ref:3623234)

Dito. Just as with the Kremer K3, there is something so cool about seing a race car going through a snowy landscape.

Makaze · 23 Mar 2016, 01:57 (Ref:3626158)

Acura NSX GT3 will debut 3/23/16 at NYC Auto Show.

Mt. Lynx · 23 Mar 2016, 15:52 (Ref:3626364)

http://sportscar365.com/gt/acura-nsx-gt3-launched/

MagVanisher · 23 Mar 2016, 16:38 (Ref:3626380)

Saw the news regarding Acura NSX GT3 reveal, yet it seems that there won't be a hybrid system installed. I guess Honda didn't convince both FIA and ACO on allowing hybrids in GT racing.

On the other hand, I feel that the NSX GT3 car will have its hybrid system in Super GT replacing the CR-Z GT300 car.

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