IMSA DPi Discussion - Page 51

Akrapovic · 19 Sep 2016, 07:58 (Ref:3674007)

Nissan being allowed entries they strictly shouldn't get, on the promise of a future car? Where have we heard that before?

I think it'd be disappointing to see a Nissan DPi, given the state of the P1 project. A bit of a consultation prize.

TzeiTzei · 19 Sep 2016, 08:38 (Ref:3674025)

The more, the merrier.

FormulaFox · 19 Sep 2016, 08:57 (Ref:3674031)

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeb

I agree with SK. I also think no word from Nissan almost makes it more likely. I mean we haven't even had GM or Mazda confirm the existence of their DP in any real sense yet. So why would Nissan who may be a few months (or a year) behind announce anything?

I'm not referring to announcements. I'm referring to behind-the-scenes knowledge. Since day one it was fully known that GM and Mazda were seriously looking to do DPis even as they stayed completely silent on the matter publicly. Early on there were rumors of Nissan, but those were just one of the numerous rumors saying nearly every GT3 manufacturer supposedly being interested at some point - and like all the others it faded away once it became clear that no serious efforts were being undertaken.

The fact that nobody behind the scenes even heard anything about renewed interest from Nissan is what indicates to me they're not getting involved on a factory level - not the lack of a public show of it.

Speed-King · 19 Sep 2016, 09:02 (Ref:3674034)

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Originally Posted by FormulaFox

I'm not referring to announcements. I'm referring to behind-the-scenes knowledge. Since day one it was fully known that GM and Mazda were seriously looking to do DPis even as they stayed completely silent on the matter publicly. Early on there were rumors of Nissan, but those were just one of the numerous rumors saying nearly every GT3 manufacturer supposedly being interested at some point - and like all the others it faded away once it became clear that no serious efforts were being undertaken.

The fact that nobody behind the scenes even heard anything about renewed interest from Nissan is what indicates to me they're not getting involved on a factory level - not the lack of a public show of it.

Well - we had that story about 4 different engines going on IMSA's dyno and I think Nissan has been mentioned in conjunction with that, though not from any official sources.

Bcarr6 · 19 Sep 2016, 09:53 (Ref:3674045)

If FF says his inside sources haven't heard of a Nissan program, there's no chance it's happening..

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FormulaFox · 19 Sep 2016, 10:03 (Ref:3674046)

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Originally Posted by Speed-King

Well - we had that story about 4 different engines going on IMSA's dyno and I think Nissan has been mentioned in conjunction with that, though not from any official sources.

It's most likely GM, Mazda, Gibson, and HPD.

HPD may have no known active program, but they're the only other group we know was seriously interested in DPi, so them having an engine submitted for testing would be likely even if we won't see it until 2018.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bcarr6

If FF says his inside sources haven't heard of a Nissan program, there's no chance it's happening..

Not even close to no chance - it is very possible that Nissan has successfully managed to fool everyone. Unlikely, but possible.

MagVanisher · 19 Sep 2016, 14:26 (Ref:3674100)

I'll say that Hughes du Chaunac is disappointed that ORECA is not welcomed in the IMSA. Well, it's his fault for proposing this LMP2 regulations in the first place.

ORECA Rules Out DPi Program for 2017 (via Sportscar 365)

Still, Oreca is content on selling cars in Europe than in North America.

hondafan37 · 19 Sep 2016, 14:31 (Ref:3674102)

Quote:

Originally Posted by MagVanisher

I'll say that Hughes du Chaunac is disappointed that ORECA is not welcomed in the IMSA. Well, it's his fault for proposing this LMP2 regulations in the first place.

ORECA Rules Out DPi Program for 2017 (via Sportscar 365)

Still, Oreca is content on selling cars in Europe than in North America.

But they are discussing with three manufacturers for 2018.

Matt · 19 Sep 2016, 14:43 (Ref:3674106)

Quote:

Originally Posted by MagVanisher

I'll say that Hughes du Chaunac is disappointed that ORECA is not welcomed in the IMSA. Well, it's his fault for proposing this LMP2 regulations in the first place.

ORECA Rules Out DPi Program for 2017 (via Sportscar 365)

Still, Oreca is content on selling cars in Europe than in North America.

How do you figure he's not welcome, or disappointed?

He's dealing with three manufactures for a possible 2018 DPi entry, and it says one of the 2017 entries may be in IMSA...

YZFrider · 19 Sep 2016, 14:56 (Ref:3674109)

There is that Nissan name in that article

Bcarr6 · 19 Sep 2016, 15:05 (Ref:3674111)

Nissan, again coming up in passing comment...

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MagVanisher · 19 Sep 2016, 16:30 (Ref:3674129)

@Matt
As much as Hughes du Chaunac wanted to promote the Oreca to North America, 2 or 3 manufacturers would choose either the Riley-Multimatic or Dallara. Oh, and a few of the OAK Ligiers too.

Even if he got one team using Oreca 07, it'll be be swamped by other teams using 3 of the 4 LMP2 manufacturers anyway.

HORNDAWG · 19 Sep 2016, 16:37 (Ref:3674131)

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Originally Posted by MagVanisher

@Matt
As much as Hughes du Chaunac wanted to promote the Oreca to North America, 2 or 3 manufacturers would choose either the Riley-Multimatic or Dallara. Oh, and a few of the OAK Ligiers too.

Even if he got one team using Oreca 07, it'll be be swamped by other teams using 3 of the 4 LMP2 manufacturers anyway.

So how does that equate to the interpreted narrative of the previous post?!

L.P.

Damian Baldi · 19 Sep 2016, 17:03 (Ref:3674136)

from sporstcar365

About the Nissan Ligier

Quote:

It’s understood that Onroak Automotive is working on DPi projects with both Nissan and Honda, although the latter may not debut until 2018.

canaglia · 19 Sep 2016, 17:15 (Ref:3674138)

Didn't he say some time ago that a pair of LMPC teams were going to buy an oreca 07 to run full season in 2017 IMSA season?

Actually what are 2017 rumored P class entries?

2 AXR cadillac DP
1 WTR cadillac DP
2 mazda riley-mazda DP
1 SoD riley mazda or gibson
1 starworks riley mazda or gibson
1 or 2 ESM ligier HPD or gibson

who else?

**joeb** · 19 Sep 2016, 18:57 (Ref:3674166)

Quote:

Originally Posted by canaglia

Didn't he say some time ago that a pair of LMPC teams were going to buy an oreca 07 to run full season in 2017 IMSA season?

Actually what are 2017 rumored P class entries?

2 AXR cadillac DP
1 WTR cadillac DP
2 mazda riley-mazda DP
1 SoD riley mazda or gibson
1 starworks riley mazda or gibson
1 or 2 ESM ligier HPD or gibson

who else?

Yes PR1 is the (3rd) 1st pc team to announce a prototype program for next year.

broadrun96 · 19 Sep 2016, 19:33 (Ref:3674171)

Quote:

Originally Posted by canaglia

Didn't he say some time ago that a pair of LMPC teams were going to buy an oreca 07 to run full season in 2017 IMSA season?

Actually what are 2017 rumored P class entries?

2 AXR cadillac DP
1 WTR cadillac DP
2 mazda riley-mazda DP
1 SoD riley mazda or gibson
1 starworks riley mazda or gibson
1 or 2 ESM ligier HPD or gibson

who else?

And the latest rumor is that should be Ligier Nissan for ESM

FormulaFox · 19 Sep 2016, 20:02 (Ref:3674178)

I was just reminded that the ACO plans to allow other manufacturers to badge the Gibson engine for advertising if they wish. Perhaps that's what the deal is with ESM and their rumored Nissan engine - I strongly doubt IMSA would oppose it.

Rodger Davies · 22 Sep 2016, 11:31 (Ref:3674218)

I was wondering that one, under the 'Alpine clause', although recent news would suggest it's the GT-R engine that's in play, so that would definitely be DPi rules. Here's hoping Nissan pony up the fee and GT-Rs are allowed in GTD.

Bcarr6 · 22 Sep 2016, 14:26 (Ref:3674264)

You got to figure Nissan are being a little cautious here while scouting a full blown effort in 17

We all know they could do with rebuilding their reputation a little after they gave up so elegantly on their P1 program

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**joeb** · 23 Sep 2016, 01:26 (Ref:3674422)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rodger Davies

I was wondering that one, under the 'Alpine clause', although recent news would suggest it's the GT-R engine that's in play, so that would definitely be DPi rules. Here's hoping Nissan pony up the fee and GT-Rs are allowed in GTD.

I was kind hoping they would use the P1 engine in the DPi, but hey i'm not complaining no matter what engine they show up with. Good to have the variety.

FormulaFox · 23 Sep 2016, 02:26 (Ref:3674446)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rodger Davies

I was wondering that one, under the 'Alpine clause', although recent news would suggest it's the GT-R engine that's in play, so that would definitely be DPi rules. Here's hoping Nissan pony up the fee and GT-Rs are allowed in GTD.

Considering how much had been covered on this topic afterwards, I find it a bit funny that my well-disproven consideration of the Gibson rebadging ended up being the most recent post saved from the...incident.

truebeliever · 25 Sep 2016, 11:57 (Ref:3674905)

Quote:

Originally Posted by FormulaFox

Coyote is owned by Spirit of Daytona. SoD will probably continue in DPi.

And Spirit of Daytona is owned by Jim France.

HORNDAWG · 30 Sep 2016, 17:49 (Ref:3676157)

Quote:

Originally Posted by canaglia

Didn't he say some time ago that a pair of LMPC teams were going to buy an oreca 07 to run full season in 2017 IMSA season?

Actually what are 2017 rumored P class entries?

2 AXR cadillac DP
1 WTR cadillac DP
2 mazda riley-mazda DP
1 SoD riley mazda or gibson
1 starworks riley mazda or gibson
1 or 2 ESM ligier HPD or gibson

who else?

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeb

Yes PR1 is the (3rd) 1st pc team to announce a prototype program for next year.

PR1 Mathiasen has chosen the JS P217 Ligier/Gibson to move up in. LINK

L.P.

HORNDAWG · 30 Sep 2016, 19:43 (Ref:3676170)

2 Action Express .. Cadillac-Dallara DPi
1 Wayne Taylor .. Cadillac-Dallara DPi
2 Mazda Motorsports .. Mazda-R/M Mk.30 DPi
2 ESM .. Nissan-Ligier DPi
1 Visit Florida .. * R/M Mk.30 ?
1 PR1/Mathiasen .. JS P217 Ligier/Gibson Link
1 JDC-Miller Motorsports .. Oreca 07/Gibson LINK
1 Starworks .. R/M Mk.30/Gibson
1 Keating .. R/M Mk.30/Gibson ?(maybe)
1-2 Dragonspeed .. Oreca 07/Gibson (maybe for some)

L.P.

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