WEC Kolles Prototype - Page 52

TF110 · 12 Feb 2019, 19:11 (Ref:3883602)

This car should be brand new. The current ByKolles has roots back to the Lotus lmp2 and further. It works for them (at times) so I guess the time for change has finally come. Unless they use the same underpinnings, which I highly doubt, this car might be a breath of fresh air. I don't know what car on the road it's supposed to resemble, if any but it looks good so far. Besides, resembling a real/production hypercar might not be a requirement.

knighty · 13 Feb 2019, 11:58 (Ref:3883784)

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Originally Posted by Juntos

Where observation is concerned, chance favours only the prepared mind. The team that aims to build a hypercar can't even sort out their engine thing?

I mean this: http://www.dailysportscar.com/2019/0...s-sebring.html

So any wagers placed on whos LMP1 motor they will use next?......I believe they fell out with AER just before they went for the NISMO-Cosworth item, so surely that only leaves the Gibson V8?........

TF110 · 13 Feb 2019, 20:13 (Ref:3883930)

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Originally Posted by knighty

So any wagers placed on whos LMP1 motor they will use next?......I believe they fell out with AER just before they went for the NISMO-Cosworth item, so surely that only leaves the Gibson V8?........

Judd is still around right? I think they can mend their relationship with Nissan if they get an upgraded or new engine. I think their best bet is to skip the current TT V6 and go with a more powerful version of the new lmp3 engine- the big V8 VK56. No reason to worry about efficiency in the new rules, just power.

Deleted · 14 Feb 2019, 23:02 (Ref:3884269)

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Originally Posted by GingerPixel

Im so bloody confused about hypercars. Wasn't the point to provide more of a link to manufacturers and their road cars?

I think the only "point" of LMGTP/Car-Car is to create a stop-gap measure between LMP1 and Zero Emission... thankfully it shouldn't take too many years

templer · 15 Feb 2019, 17:09 (Ref:3884436)

ByKolles has announced Gibson as new supplier for their engine. They are planning to be ready for the WEC race in early May. Quite a challenge for the team to rework the car for an atmospheric engine in short time. Hopefully their engine troubles are now gone and we will see how good or bad their chassis really is.

https://www.facebook.com/bykolles/?_...ref=nf&__xts__[0]=68.ARB4Obl7elUA6NOASmkcq0eEgbfyNcm_BTzA907GBFxFTN2-CIFupM5YlVLnseVLINjMi6-92ehFQElSry3sqC4DK2AX8imIreRqLq_rKkgN_KestFQcgzJ5wfMRPZMGMzsY11LuC0pzf53PN2NfsDgo3FFM_d4XivX-EOfWuKMAkHeKjplbUtO9sXmWZRvL2NAoxa-qPZeCNgcbkGm0oq0wJhlfCJuHinTlC1ovv19bbZdQ9WtcgGuGtUoi4DJFi7zX0Tta3ajVxoUFyVx9oKaej6hZDNslNJBnYrYgxpC AF6Ycr-10GY8R7-5kx81SftnvU2FGt6JzvONgCOaRYHW_caPywEVZGIkBtyDv5c7lXVGMMTp-_XpKDQ

Deleted · 15 Feb 2019, 17:12 (Ref:3884437)

So the only non-Zytek LMP1/2 cars left in the world now are the Toyotas, SMP Dallaras and Ginetta (if it ever shows up again)...

Anyway, EoT was very generous towards that engine last year...

TF110 · 15 Feb 2019, 17:27 (Ref:3884440)

They should be able to run at 818kg now. Since the non-turbo engine cars currently get a weight break; Rebellion and DragonSpeed. They also get more fuel energy per stint, fuel (kg) per stint plus bigger refueling diameter than turbo engines. This is another reason I suggested they switch from a turbo engine to a NA one. Good call imo. I bet it'll save them some weight too.

kvenom · 15 Feb 2019, 17:35 (Ref:3884442)

Thus ends the storied career of a great LMP1 program.

Thanks for all the memories Nissan even though we more laughing at you than with you.

Deleted · 15 Feb 2019, 20:38 (Ref:3884474)

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Originally Posted by kvenom

Thus ends the storied career of a great LMP1 program.

Thanks for all the memories Nissan even though we more laughing at you than with you.

Yes... but technically you can still buy the Nismo-Cosworth if you wish, just like you could Judd or whatever else, it doesn't "have to be" dead... and they're still the spec engine in LMP3

chernaudi · 15 Feb 2019, 21:30 (Ref:3884487)

So I guess that there'll be no more waiting to see the Kolles entry burst into flames (kinda) at random?

In all seriousness, I think that trying to run a turbo engine may've been the root of the problems for all I know about the Kolles machine. Turbocharged engines have different cooling parameters than atmo engines do, and atmo engines typically have simplified requirements as far as cooling and heat rejection/packaging.

Now I guess we'll watch and see for a different reason as to how the Kolles team gets on, and I hope that this experiment will be a success.

Akrapovic · 16 Feb 2019, 13:07 (Ref:3884601)

The press release is funny.

ByKOLLES, leading WEC LMP1 team which uniquely designs and builds its own chassis

They are unique in that design and build their own chassis. So...how about those Toyotas?

canaglia · 16 Feb 2019, 13:28 (Ref:3884606)

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Originally Posted by Akrapovic

The press release is funny.

ByKOLLES, leading WEC LMP1 team which uniquely designs and builds its own chassis

They are unique in that design and build their own chassis. So...how about those Toyotas?

Sometimes there is a thin line between ironic and pathetic,
bykolles crossed this line with a truck in downhill....
designs perhaps, builds is a lie.

About toyota, well someone could argue about the matter that chassis/aero is designed by german TMG, hybrid stuff designed by third parties, while just V6 is from japanese toyota.

broadrun96 · 16 Feb 2019, 20:28 (Ref:3884674)

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Originally Posted by Akrapovic

The press release is funny.

ByKOLLES, leading WEC LMP1 team which uniquely designs and builds its own chassis

They are unique in that design and build their own chassis. So...how about those Toyotas?

That's not exactly how that reads, it's not that they are unique in designing and building but it's rather referencing then designing and building their unique chassis. It's poorly worded and would be better said as they design and build their own unique chassis. But in the grand scheme of what Kolles has done that's LOW on the list of stupidity.

TF110 · 17 Feb 2019, 07:06 (Ref:3884735)

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Originally Posted by canaglia

Sometimes there is a thin line between ironic and pathetic,
bykolles crossed this line with a truck in downhill....
designs perhaps, builds is a lie.

About toyota, well someone could argue about the matter that chassis/aero is designed by german TMG, hybrid stuff designed by third parties, while just V6 is from japanese toyota.

I think 90+% of the Toyota is all theirs. You look through their sponsors and nearly all of them are Toyota suppliers that are part of their core group or subsidiaries of Toyota itself. The hybrid and engine are done right outside Fuji. So besides them, ByKolles can say it is unique because no one else builds their own car and design. Oreca does Rebellion and Dallara does BR Engineering/SMP.

Juntos · 23 Feb 2019, 23:57 (Ref:3886217)

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Originally Posted by Akrapovic

ByKOLLES, leading WEC LMP1 team which uniquely designs and builds its own chassis

Perhaps they are talking in the future tense!

**skycafe** · 24 Feb 2019, 01:27 (Ref:3886226)

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Originally Posted by Juntos

Perhaps they are talking in the future tense!

I'm sort of sure a copious amount beer would be needed to view this team as a leader in class...

Juntos · 25 Feb 2019, 18:29 (Ref:3886572)

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Originally Posted by skycafe

I'm sort of sure a copious amount beer would be needed to view this team as a leader in class...

Perhaps you don't need that much beer. ACO is specialist in creating classes and sub-classes.

Akrapovic · 25 Feb 2019, 20:31 (Ref:3886595)

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Originally Posted by Juntos

Perhaps you don't need that much beer. ACO is specialist in creating classes and sub-classes.

As much as I take the mick out of the ACO, I think that's a bit unfair. SRO Manages to have Pro, Pro-Am, Am, Silver and more out of just GT3. If your car doesn't fit into a class, then Creventic will make a new class just for you. And VLN more classes than we have forum members. IMSA just split up the Prototype class and managed to mess up the LMP2 class because Bop and stuff and reasons and lap times. Back in the ALMS days they added one-make classes to try and bump up.

ACO isn't alone in this. And I wouldn't even say this is a modern thing either - I think we had an unusual level of stability in ACO racing with the LMP1/LMP2/Pro/Am, where as before classes were inserted and removed all the time.

ByKolles is not in a sub-class. It's racing against Toyota, Rebellion, SMP and DragonSpeed.

**skycafe** · 25 Feb 2019, 23:28 (Ref:3886622)

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Originally Posted by Juntos

Perhaps you don't need that much beer. ACO is specialist in creating classes and sub-classes.

Well, Akrapovic went and gave a serious and thoughtful response, and all I am capable of is a mocking 'would it be called the Beer Goggles class' response...

Juntos · 26 Feb 2019, 22:47 (Ref:3886934)

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Originally Posted by Akrapovic

ByKolles is not in a sub-class. It's racing against Toyota, Rebellion, SMP and DragonSpeed.

Without trying to drive the conversation to another place, let me remind you that to be "racing against" someone, you need to show up on the grid in the first place. Some changes look negative on the surface but you will soon realize that space is being created in our lives for something new to emerge. Perhaps they are not showing up in Sebring cause they are not able to "race against" some of their competitors.

TF110 · 27 Feb 2019, 03:39 (Ref:3886969)

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Originally Posted by Juntos

Without trying to drive the conversation to another place, let me remind you that to be "racing against" someone, you need to show up on the grid in the first place. Some changes look negative on the surface but you will soon realize that space is being created in our lives for something new to emerge. Perhaps they are not showing up in Sebring cause they are not able to "race against" some of their competitors.

Because they don't have an engine. They can't just switch to Gibson and throw it in the back of the car. It needs mounting and all the work required to make it fit. Then the gearbox needs to be adjusted etc. It looks like a job that takes too long to make Sebring, sadly. That doesn't mean they will never race again. For all the crap we give them, they are a more reliable entry than others in the class (Ginetta).

Akrapovic · 27 Feb 2019, 13:16 (Ref:3887072)

Missing a race for an engine change, and not showing up for a race are not the same thing.

Juntos · 28 Feb 2019, 22:35 (Ref:3887425)

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Originally Posted by Akrapovic

Missing a race for an engine change, and not showing up for a race are not the same thing.

Correct. For those who believe in God, most of the big questions are answered. But for those of us who can't readily accept the God formula, the big answers don't remain stone-written.

Let's see what is the next excuse. The super-season is not yet over.

**joeb** · 1 Mar 2019, 04:00 (Ref:3887452)

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Originally Posted by Juntos

Correct. For those who believe in God, most of the big questions are answered. But for those of us who can't readily accept the God formula, the big answers don't remain stone-written.

Let's see what is the next excuse. The super-season is not yet over.

What?

Akrapovic · 1 Mar 2019, 07:41 (Ref:3887475)

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Originally Posted by Juntos

Correct. For those who believe in God, most of the big questions are answered. But for those of us who can't readily accept the God formula, the big answers don't remain stone-written.

Let's see what is the next excuse. The super-season is not yet over.

That's deep. I think.

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