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Doesn't matter to a lot of people. AXR, SOD, and Ganassi were funded out of France's/ISC's pockets until 2012 or so. Felix Sabates (co-owner of Chip Ganassi Racing) admitted as much in his deposition when he filed for divorce from his then-wife.
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Was means that those teams wouldn't have probably existed if France hadn't subsidized them. ALMS had the opposite problem of teams subsidizing the series, hence why Audi and Porsche left.
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Considering France is responsible for the title sponsor of the team (it isn't Spirit of Daytona Racing anymore, it's Visit Florida Racing, and you don't need to look very hard around ISC tracks to figure out the connection there), the shop, and the car, I'd hardly say it's "was"
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2 Oct 2016, 05:27 (Ref:3676630) | #1281 | ||
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Not just those three - MOST of the DP entries in GA were just as subsidized.
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And yet they're the only three teams involved in IMSA right now, though Ganassi is doing so in the GTLM class with Ford Racing backing. Point is now that SOC/AXR now have to pay their own way, even if ISC funded and paid for a lot of their finances until just a few years ago.
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3 Oct 2016, 03:24 (Ref:3676910) | #1284 | ||
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jesus christ who cares at this point.
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“We’re trying to close the doors without embarrassing ourselves, the France family and embarrassing (the) Grand American Series,” he said in the deposition. “There is no money. There is no purse. There’s nothing.” |
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But the sad truth is that most people are simply not aware that the DP field was almost entirely subsidized - there are many people who look at how many entries the class got and simply assumed they were doing something better. |
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I guess I would agree .. . simply because 95% of the people on this planet have never heard of Rolex or IMSA. But among sports car racing fans in North America ... I had never heard it was a secret ... we have certainly discussed it here and on the ALMS and Speed boards. And, hey, get out your tinfoil hats ... NASCAR's home team has won the IMSA championship three years running. |
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6 Oct 2016, 07:17 (Ref:3677758) | #1291 | |
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Could you have picked a worse time to use this than 2 days after the last race of the season?
I am actually getting pretty worried about 2017. All the potential growth in the prototype class is coming from teams believing they can finally bring an ACO spec car and compete on completely fair terms, but there's a lot of history to suggest that IMSA will favour manufacturer dollars and the chosen teams over car counts and competition when it comes to keeping people happy. It won't kill the series because it's a viable business model, but it would be terrible for the sport. |
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It's very much in IMSA's best interest to be as fair as possible here. But I have to agree that I don't trust them to do so. I'll believe that they'll fairly balance the DPis with the P2s when I see it. |
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6 Oct 2016, 11:32 (Ref:3677803) | #1294 | ||
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Seems a silly thing to still get all hot & bothered over. if the series broke out the checkbook and helped subsidize, say, PC teams buying new P2 chassis, I wonder if the same folks would have an ideological issue with it. |
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Probably not even remotely close to reality but perhaps not completely fantasy either, hmmmm. |
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6 Oct 2016, 14:22 (Ref:3677840) | #1297 | ||
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I mean its not like the manufacture backed teams haven't cleaned house all the time in the past or anything
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This will be another important issue, which will make discerning balance difficult. if the teams running P2s are the less prepared teams, running less prepared cars ....
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