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Old 8 Mar 2023, 03:15 (Ref:4146260)   #1301
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It doesn't make sense to me. Yes, we can have 6 to 8 Porsche but we will have Peugoet, BMW, Lamborghini, Cadillac, Alpine, Isotta Fraschetti, VanWall, Glikenhaus, ... so nothing like a Porsche cup. The grid will be awsome and nothing to complain
and don't forget Ferrari and Toyota!
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Old 8 Mar 2023, 05:55 (Ref:4146265)   #1302
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Let's get the cars on track first, then see if there is any need to make amendments so everyone gets a "fair" share. The concern is not warranted yet (but it's not hard to see his point; we have all seen it happen to LMP2). At this stage, all it would do is "force" possible partners to reconsider their entry if they do not get to choose their favourite mouse trap.

Or Felipe could make a move himself. It doesn't look like Honda is shifting from its current position in prototypes.
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Old 8 Mar 2023, 08:24 (Ref:4146276)   #1303
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I'm sure things will be fine. Seeing how things played out last year we shouldn't have much to worry about. LMP2 has had it's own problems, hopefully it won't happen in the top class. Everyone should know what they signed up to and the amount of variety in the top class is a positive sign

We'll see who else joins the series. I will wait to see what Honda does
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Old 8 Mar 2023, 10:24 (Ref:4146284)   #1304
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Other manufacturers are not allowed to sell cars to customers?
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Exactly. The more customer cars, the better. If they're only Porsches than Zuffenhausen obviously has a better customer business model than the other manufacturers (we all know they already have). It's not like the armada hasn't been beaten before.

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I'm optimistic Honda will join the series and the big show next year. Customer cars not so much.
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Old 8 Mar 2023, 14:24 (Ref:4146314)   #1306
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It doesn't make sense to me. Yes, we can have 6 to 8 Porsche but we will have Peugoet, BMW, Lamborghini, Cadillac, Alpine, Isotta Fraschetti, VanWall, Glikenhaus, ... so nothing like a Porsche cup. The grid will be awsome and nothing to complain
The 2023 Le Mans 24h has 16 Hypercar entries: 4 Porsche, 3 Cadillac, 2 Toyota, Peugeot, Ferrari and Glickenhaus, and 1 Vanwall.

There's no BMW or Acura / Honda.
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Old 8 Mar 2023, 16:22 (Ref:4146332)   #1307
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He's talking about 2024 (next year).
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He's talking about 2024 (next year).

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Isotta is hitting the track for testing this month, according to Racer.
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What is the situation on pricing for these LMDh or LMH cars for privateer teams?
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Old 13 Mar 2023, 01:59 (Ref:4146861)   #1311
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Steep. Well over a million - if not 2. And then there's the running costs.
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Pretty sure I have heard 2m EUR for a car, 5m EUR to run a season in WEC.
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Certainly the costs have got high, I'm not surprised there are quite a few not committed for a full season
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If you're not able to go to LeMans, then testing and a partial season is a lot cheaper. Just do the whole thing next year.
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What was the car cost and running costs for LMP1?
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So much more. £5m to be competitive is actually not bad at all.
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So much more. £5m to be competitive is actually not bad at all.
Exactly, and you combine that with compatibility with both IMSA and WEC, a BOP you can actually live with, and 5-7 year rules stability, it's a damn good deal.

It's why a number of manufacturers are stepping up...
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That's the cost per additional entry. I wonder how much money did LMDh manufacturers spend in developing aerodynamics and engines.
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Have to say this is all rather impressive. Small outfit, full LMH with a hybrid system. Hopefully, they make it.
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The Porsche is actually just shy of 3 Million Euros - running costs are 5-10 million per season
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Have to say this is all rather impressive. Small outfit, full LMH with a hybrid system. Hopefully, they make it.
I have been impressed with the teams openness as they prep this brand new car. And the fact they are looking to get the 2nd chassis testing this summer only bodes well for development.
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Just wondering how the testing for the Isotta Fraschini is going, as they were to be doing so this month.
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Just wondering how the testing for the Isotta Fraschini is going, as they were to be doing so this month.
Planning on an April start date now.
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Is that to give them time to get the second one built or is that to get the first one finalized.
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